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    Brexit

    Hard to believe there is no discussion on here about the upcoming vote. Especially considering the large percentage of members from the "island".
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    I vote by post so I voted about 2 weeks ago. It has turned into a really nasty campaign IMO. Each side calling the others haters etc.... No need for that. If you cant argue your side without excepting someone elses right to a different opinion then it doesnt say much.

    I personally think the final result will be remain in the EU by something like 54% to 46%
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    What kind of news is it making across Europe and the wider world guys? Its all you see on the news here as you would expect.
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    From here it's being called a toss up. No clear majority either way. Personally, I can see valid points on both sides. It'll be an important vote either way and European history will be changed.

    Probably wouldn't have gotten this far if the solvent countries had been more active earlier in reining in the excesses of the countries who don't have a clue about fiscal responsibility. IMO of course.
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    I am far from being an expert in EU or British politics and economy, but the brexit referendum seems strange to me because UK is already detached from most of the EU's monetary troubles in one important way: the UK retains its separate currency, the British pound, and therefore UK is in charge of its central baking policy. If the roots of disaffection with the EU are not of monetary/central banking nature, then what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter View Post
    Probably wouldn't have gotten this far if the solvent countries had been more active earlier in reining in the excesses of the countries who don't have a clue about fiscal responsibility. IMO of course.
    Just wait until Ukraine, with its corrupt oligarchical political system and broken economy, joins the EU. That day, the current day "troubles" will seem like the golden age of EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zako85 View Post
    Just wait until Ukraine, with its corrupt oligarchical political system and broken economy, joins the EU. That day, the current day "troubles" will seem like the golden age of EU.
    You have a clear picture.
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    It sadly appears that many people voting to leave are angry with the level of migration from Europe and see leaving as a way to stop free movement of people. That is seemly also the only thing that pro EU campaigners think that Leavers have a problem with.

    There is suggest Economic pros to EU but also negatives being cited. Some people suggest the UK would have more freedom to seek trade and negotiate deals around the world. I am not expert to know how much difference that makes.

    People say that they feel that voting for Members of Parliament here only for many laws and deals to be made by the EU is not what they want.

    Some think that what started as a trade organisation is now becoming a United states of Europe.

    Some people just want the UK to just be completely free and independent in its ideas and direction in future.

    Some plain think it has always been and always will be a bad idea to be a member and if you think it may not work then they will vote to get out now.

    Whatever they seem to think the vote will be very close. All these above points are pointing out why some want to leave from what I have heard. The opposites are largely true for those in the Remain camp.

    The worst thing for me is the assumption by leavers that pro campaigners are all scared to leave or pro the State of Europe. While Pro people only class leavers as haters.

    There has been far to much mud slinging and name calling in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveaki13 View Post
    There has been far to much mud slinging and name calling in this. Sent from my GT-I9301I using Tapatalk
    Sounds just like our current presidential campaign.

    Your, and much of the rest of Europe's, problem is the large numbers of immigrants. Immigrants are a good thing for most countries up to a point. When the quantity of people coming in exceeds the ability of the host country to assimilate them, good feelings toward the immigrants will not ensue. You also wind up with too many people not working. That's not a knock at the immigrants, many want to work but have issues with language and needed skills. Add in the immigrants who can't find a job to the numbers of native born who either can't find a job or don't want a job - exacerbated by the global recession - and you have a substantial percent on the dole. Tax paying citizens get tired of this real fast.

    Now throw in the large quantities of money going to keep places like Greece afloat and it makes one wonder why it's taken this long for a credible opposition to rise up and insist on change. No matter what side you are on you have to admit there is a valid point for the folks who want to leave. Perhaps its out weighed by reasons to stay, still there is lots of room for debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter View Post
    Your, and much of the rest of Europe's, problem is the large numbers of immigrants.
    With respect... bollocks!

    (I'm also an immigrant, and before anybody tries, I'm sick of hearing the old "Oh but I don't mean you" argument)
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