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    Cool Rally Sweden's future

    The only winter rally on the calendar is struggeling to find stable winter conditions, and needs to come up with a robust plan to FIA.

    Two countys north of Värmland are the candidates.
    Dalarna, with Falun or Mora as Hq location and base. I Guess they have enough hotel capasity.
    Further north there is Jämtland, with Østersund as Hq. Additional Hotel capasity in Åre.

    Looking at snow data, they need to move north, question is how far?
    http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/sno

    What do you think is the best option long term?

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    They are in a difficult situation. They have to move to be able to fulfil the snow safe guarantee but moving might also risk loosing allot of
    Värmland specific sponsorships/partnerships from local tourist boards / companies and etc in Värmland.

    Falun-Borlänge-Mora have some hotels for sure (especially in Tällberg) but the question is the same for them as for Värmland,
    can they guarantee availability and price levels for three consecutive years? Then the next question is if their is enough roads available?
    If you want to be more snow safe, you have to have have the stages in the western part of Dalarna close to the border to Norway and Värmland
    which well over 100km away from Falun (much closer to Mora though). However there aren't that many roads in the area (Basically only E45 and E16)
    it would be very crowded in these two roads.
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    Not a new problem for any organizer. Falun/Borlänge/Rättvik/Tällberg should be enough hospitality. Stages couldn´t be a problem in the region. Even possibilties having stages north of Sandviken.
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    As it looks now, to have safe winter conditions as FIA more or less demands, it looks like they have to go north to at least Østersund, maybe even further north.

    But hopefully the 2020 winter is warmer and more wet than the new norm.

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    Well, you can't continue to have a 'will it - won't it' run almost every year, hoping the snow and cold turns up; they need to be proactive. If that means moving from Sweden, then so be it; which would be sad for the sport. But, there are surely towns further north who would be interested in hosting the WRC - and if there aren't, then it's not a great reflection on our sport.
    I'd rather it stayed in Sweden, but maybe a North American round seriously needs to be looked at; snow doesn't seem to be an issue up there.

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    Maybe a split rally between Sweden and Norway in area of Kiruna - Narvik - Tromso. They might have snow up there.

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    Jeez both of you are like completely off. As I wrote in the rally Sweden thread even right now with the warmest January ever recorded there are perfect winter conditions just 1 hour drive north of the current stages.

    Sure to ensure stable winter conditions they should move the stages a bit north in the short term (think they have a deal for next 2? years) and possibly further north to around Østersund after that.

    But moving to another continent or 1500 km just because there isn't snow exactly where the stages are is nuts.
    Last edited by mknight; 12th February 2020 at 11:49.

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    Is the current deal for arranging the rally with Sweden's ASN or the rally organization? If the latter, they cannot move that far.

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    The only issue I read about moving the rally further north in Sweden is that its more hilly there and a lot of people already holiday in the area for skiing. Therefore there may be an issue in finding enough hotel beds for the rally fans visiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Is the current deal for arranging the rally with Sweden's ASN or the rally organization? If the latter, they cannot move that far.
    I am quite sure that the contract is with the organiser. However if the contract says "guaranteed winter conditions" (or something similar) then I would assume that the promoter can breach the contract due to the contractaded obligation not being fulfilled.
    ...Funny how ev'rything was roses when we held on to the guns...

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