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29th August 2015, 12:21 #11
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I like F1 history a lot, so I often find these kind of questions intriguing. But as Nitrodaze says, any comparisons are only going be relative.
I would take Hamilton above Mansell. Mansell, while spectacular, was a notch below Senna and Prost in terms of overall performance. Anyone else there in that timeframe? Hunt, D. Hill? Hamilton still looks more impressive. However, I can't put Hamilton above Stewart. Stewart in his prime was a clear benchmark driver of the field, which puts him into an absolute elite group of all time drivers.
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29th August 2015, 16:46 #12
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I think you would find that Hamilton was speaking statistically. At the rate he is going, he can statistically match Senna, hence it is not ego but a matter of fact. But on sheer driving excellence, that is a different matter as most would approach this subjectively. But there are a few hints that would suggest that Hamilton is a notch short of Senna in sheer grit and determination to overcome the odds. An example would be Silverstone 2014, it was a little slippery due to rain, Lewis pitted because he felt nobody would beat his time in these condition. Rosberg stayed out and found a drying track come to him as he persevered and took pole. Lewis was clearly gutted about this and went out the next and won the race.
My point is, Senna would have stayed out while his rival is out trying. There is also Senna's incredible focus on all aspects of the job. This is not to say Hamilton is not focused. 2015 has been his noticeably highest level of focus for a long time. Even so, his level of focus is not anywhere near that of Senna. Apart from mandatory commercial activities, Senna was very much concentrated on how to do better next time out. Nikki Lauda was very much like that too.
Lewis sometimes seemed slightly distracted. That said, Hamilton on his day is every bit Senna like and unbeatable.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 29th August 2015 at 18:39.
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1st September 2015, 07:08 #13
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For those who didn't know, just wanted to mention that Scott Dixon won the Indycar title - due to double points since it was such a contentious issue in F1. Glad F1 got rid of it.
Also, I am a believer in Grosjean, since the day he put his car 3rd on the grid at Melbourne in 2012. Mark Hughes also thinks so here
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/324...er-rated-in-f1
I also agree with the post above that Hamilton doesn't seem like the most focused driver of all time, which is frustrating if you like him. I'd say Vettel applies himself the most of the current top drivers, while I believe Alonso is still very good, but definitely declining. I was just thinking the other day of his qualifying lap and race at Monza 2006. He doesn't seem quite as scintillating these days, though is probably benefitting from being more experienced now.Last edited by rjbetty; 1st September 2015 at 07:11.
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1st September 2015, 17:51 #14
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1st September 2015, 18:51 #15
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In a normal racing situation it would have been JPM's fault for initiating contact and should be called that way. In this particular instance, one has to wonder why Dixon did not just let his team mate through to go after the championship - he would have been royally and vocally pissed had in been the other way around.
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2nd September 2015, 01:10 #16
I think you mean why Will Power didn't let his team mate through. But yes, it was a rather bizarre incident. It actually looked to me more like Power cut JPM off, but I think it could be called either way. JPM outbraked himself a little going in to the corner, and Power took an exit line that was tighter than it needed to be.
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2nd September 2015, 06:01 #17
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3rd September 2015, 00:40 #18
Double points are BS! I'm sure they'll do away with them as well!
Would love to have seen Juan Pablo win it!Form is Temporary, Class is Permanent
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3rd September 2015, 16:13 #19
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Here is a random post. How come no one took notice of the sparks coming from underneath the cars this season? It seems to me like a another gimmick to keep the fans interested.
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7th September 2015, 20:52 #20
I've seen it mentioned several times. And at the upcoming night race in Singapore, I think it will be mentioned even more. Gimmick? Yeah, pretty much. But in pictures from days gone by, the "light show" is pretty fascinating to look at. One of my favorite Senna pictures features a shower of sparks trailing his car. I can only imagine what it would be like to stand at a corner in Singapore or Bahrain and wait for the cars to bottom out and light up the night.
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