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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    It could be as simple as a wide Polo with a beefed 1,4 TSI and front wheel drive.
    Not many need 4wd for the street anyway.
    And the some motorsport inspired seats, and some more instrumentation.

    It will sell in larger numbers if the price is right!

    Stage II could be with 4wd for the real petrolheads!
    VW did something similar from the very start of their WRC campaign, but I didn't noticed some excitement about how it goes in the market.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Keep dreaming guys... I bet You have little idea how production line and all the logistics and planning for it look like and how the competitive price on the market is reached. Of course You can believe in whatever You want but it's like living in some wonderland.

    I don't say some of these mass-manufacturers won't do it but if they decide for that it would have to be an extra expense as a kind of image maker, not as something profitable.

    You can ignore my babbling but I think I know a little about the subject as I'm part of the stock car development process...
    But as someone mentioned: the car doesn´t need to be made inhouse. And to me, such roadcar also boosts serial models. Marketing is so much more than just technical logistical issues massproducing cars. That hasn´t anything to do with dreams.

    HAving said that, to me it doesn´t matter anyway. I´ll keep driving my 330d X-drive and enjoying every moment of it.
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    VW average margin is 2,5%.
    Sounds small but it’s true.

    I had a look at the VW 2014 annual report and I couldn’t believe what this mean for the operating profit per car.

    http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/.../GB+2014_e.pdf (page 25)

    Sales revenue 99 764 000 000 €
    Operating profit 2 476 000 000 €
    Deliveries 6 119 000 cars
    As % of sales revenue = 2 476 000 000 / 99 764 000 000 * 100 = 2,48%

    Operating profit per car = 2 476 000 000 / 6 119 000 = 404 € / car.


    But if I had a business and sell 6,1 million pieces of something per year and earn 1 € for each sold after costs, I would have 6,1 million in my pocket before taxes. It would do for me.
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    Ford are the only manufacturer to even try to make a road car with a rally connection in recent years, with the Focus RS.

    The Mk1 Focus RS was certainly a car that associated with rallying with its flared wheel arches, Brembo brakes and Sparco interior... but it had to be made on a separate tooling line and cost so much to produce that Ford actually made a loss on every one sold ! The car did look great though and certainly promoted the rest of Focus model range.



    The Mk2 Focus RS was also rally associated in terms of its image and is a car that turns heads even of people who dont know about cars or rallying. I think this car also gave the Focus model range a late image boost before the Mk3 Focus was brought out.



    Subaru and Mitsubishi have kept their 4WD cars to some extent but they have both dropped out of WRC-level rallying some time ago, due to costs.

    As for the other manufacturer's, there is/was nothing from Citroen (DS3 Racing maybe), but no performance or look-alike of the Xsara or C4.

    VW & Hyundai have hot-hatches but no rally-inspired looks. The Golf R is as good as it gets but is so upmarket and expensive that rally fans cant hope to have one.

    Back to Ford and now they have dropped the rally-looks with the Mk3 Focus RS (5-doors, no flared-arches)... but at least they have gone 4WD and have a Drift-button !
    But alas they are using Ken Block to promote it ...




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    If you want a rally-version of a roadcar, It has to be a tuned stock-car by a tuner. Easy-fitted styling, tune a 1,4 something petrol turbo, new rims, lower suspension. If its a performance-car maybe its money for a good differential.
    And seats and a stearingwheel.
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    New Focus RS spotted today in North Wales... German tester at local Anglesey circuit... how boring does it look ?!



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    When you consider RS is supposed to mean Rallye Sport, it's clear that's no longer the case. Surely the latest RS should have been a Fiesta? It also has nothing in common with the WRCar. Personally, it's just a better version of the ST - and not a true RS.

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    This is the best version of how the new Focus RS should look...

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    The new Honda Civic Type-R looks pretty race/rally inspired !

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    For me it looks more like a stuff from Japanese sci-fi comics. I have to say I don't like it (even though I really like Honda as a brand).
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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