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    Quote Originally Posted by driveace View Post
    Should the cop have to resign ?
    "have to?" No. However he has chosen to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malbec View Post
    That is not to say that the situation should be forgotten about, an inquiry is/was necessary if only to ensure police officers do not feel entitled to use lethal force with the belief there will not be consequences for them if it is misused.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-darren-wilson
    That is not the case with a civil suit. The standard is “preponderance of the evidence”, the balance of probabilities which essentially means just “more likely than not”. It is sometimes described as 50.01%.
    Another benefit of a civil suit is that Wilson himself could be compelled to testify.
    Trachtenberg said that the lack of a grand jury indictment against Wilson doesn't necessarily affect the Brown family’s chances of winning a civil suit. “Certainly, if you get a criminal conviction then a civil suit is child’s play – all the jury would have to do is calculate damages,” he said. “[But] a mere indictment might not have been helpful.”
    - The Grauniad, 27th Nov 2014

    A question:
    If you were the family of Michael Brown, would you think that justice had been served?
    The fact that Officer Wilson was not indicted means that he will not be brought to the scrutiny of a criminal trial.

    The way I figure it, the grand jury purpose of the Fifth Amendment is supposed to be a guarantee that all criminal defendants will have a fair trial; is solidification of the process mentioned in the Magna Carta (1215). The problem is that no fair trial in a criminal court will even proceed. Is that good?
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    this is another story of a drugged up punk who got caught out. With that being said this country has gotten so bad that only black officers should work in black neighborhoods.
    Unfortunately the only answer is to fight violence with violence and this country would rather move to a walled community with a gate. But that is the way it is and it will only get a lot worse in the future. Would you rather walk down the street in detroit or singapore at 2.00am
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    UPDATED at 10:45 a.m. with arrest of third suspect in attack.

    ST. LOUIS • A third male suspect in a deadly hammer attack over the weekend in the Bevo Mill neighborhood turned himself into city police headquarters late Sunday night, police say. The third suspect is 17. Two other males, 15 and 16, were in custody earlier Sunday....

    Had this guy been armed properly he may still me alive and better yet perhaps 3 more thugs removed from the earth !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-darren-wilson
    That is not the case with a civil suit. The standard is “preponderance of the evidence”, the balance of probabilities which essentially means just “more likely than not”. It is sometimes described as 50.01%.
    Another benefit of a civil suit is that Wilson himself could be compelled to testify.
    Trachtenberg said that the lack of a grand jury indictment against Wilson doesn't necessarily affect the Brown family’s chances of winning a civil suit. “Certainly, if you get a criminal conviction then a civil suit is child’s play – all the jury would have to do is calculate damages,” he said. “[But] a mere indictment might not have been helpful.”
    - The Grauniad, 27th Nov 2014

    A question:
    If you were the family of Michael Brown, would you think that justice had been served?
    The fact that Officer Wilson was not indicted means that he will not be brought to the scrutiny of a criminal trial.

    The way I figure it, the grand jury purpose of the Fifth Amendment is supposed to be a guarantee that all criminal defendants will have a fair trial; is solidification of the process mentioned in the Magna Carta (1215). The problem is that no fair trial in a criminal court will even proceed. Is that good?
    The answer is that its in the eye of the beholder and their pre assumed viewpoint. Some of the facts in this case are clear, as opposed to the Treyvon Martin incident. Brown is clearly shown on the store surveillance camera stealing merchandise and, when confronted by one of the owners, assaulting her. So, contrary to some people's statements, he was not an innocent person. While true that legally he was a child (16 years old) he was also over 6 feet tall and weighed more than 200 pounds. What is less clear to those not in the grand jury room is what happened in the police car and after. Therefor my opinion is that justice was served. The grand jury did not seem to think there was enough evidence to bring the case to trial
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    so why are we beating this dead horse. He was killed legally and scumbags went shopping
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roamy View Post
    this is another story of a drugged up punk who got caught out. With that being said this country has gotten so bad that only black officers should work in black neighborhoods.
    Unfortunately the only answer is to fight violence with violence and this country would rather move to a walled community with a gate. But that is the way it is and it will only get a lot worse in the future. Would you rather walk down the street in detroit or singapore at 2.00am
    side note:
    UPDATED at 10:45 a.m. with arrest of third suspect in attack.

    ST. LOUIS • A third male suspect in a deadly hammer attack over the weekend in the Bevo Mill neighborhood turned himself into city police headquarters late Sunday night, police say. The third suspect is 17. Two other males, 15 and 16, were in custody earlier Sunday....

    Had this guy been armed properly he may still me alive and better yet perhaps 3 more thugs removed from the earth !!!!
    Wow! What a racially inappropriate rant!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spafranco View Post
    Wow! What a racially inappropriate rant!!!
    Why do you say that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmenke View Post
    Why do you say that?
    Good question. While Roamy's post may be somewhat out there, there was absolutely nothing racial mentioned. Unless Spafranco believes that any mention of "drugged up punks" automatically refers to a certain ethnic group. This country has plenty of scumbags, lowlifes and "drugged up punks" from white, hispanic, black and, to a lesser extent, asian groups to go around. Spafranco's automatic assignment of racial prejudice says more about his assumptions than it does about Roamy's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter View Post
    Good question. While Roamy's post may be somewhat out there, there was absolutely nothing racial mentioned. Unless Spafranco believes that any mention of "drugged up punks" automatically refers to a certain ethnic group. This country has plenty of scumbags, lowlifes and "drugged up punks" from white, hispanic, black and, to a lesser extent, asian groups to go around. Spafranco's automatic assignment of racial prejudice says more about his assumptions than it does about Roamy's.
    Starter, do not assume that what you say about my thoughts and beliefs is something that you have any comprehension of. If you do not see the racially charged, although probably not intentional opening remark by Roamy, then you just skipped everything that was said to find a reason, once more, as is your wont to make a misguided assumption and have a jab at me.

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    I personally don't see anything "racially charged" in Roamy's post. If anything, he makes a good point.
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