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    Here's a good look at the Evolve Skoda running Subie gear. Looks damn good too!

    http://www.evolve-motorsport.com/fabia/

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post
    Here's a good look at the Evolve Skoda running Subie gear. Looks damn good too!

    http://www.evolve-motorsport.com/fabia/
    But problem with this project is that manufacturers are not interested in it. And Skoda was one of the teams which were fighting against R4 as they dont want that some private build cars will start under their brand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post
    Basically an old R4 EVO or WRX on steriods. Updated shock towers and chassis strengthening aids in a better overall car if built right. STEC, Evolve and Dytko all make great protos.

    Similar to today's R4 concept with the power plant being an EVO motor. Some even have options for. Subie motor.
    And some are a mixture of Gr. A and WRC, some are fully based on Audis etc. Really different cars in the same class.

    https://i.redd.it/7qaa31621nrz.jpg
    Only Audi parts used.

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    evolve car has totally nothing in common with r4, this was just computer graphic. it never existed and probably never will, so their estimation of building/running costs is just guessing.
    their proto car with fabia body and subaru parts was also not succesfull, didn't drive much and had a lot of issues. now seems project dead.
    other proto cars, based on evo drivetrain and mechanicals are more or less similar constructions, some decent, some nothing special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    But problem with this project is that manufacturers are not interested in it. And Skoda was one of the teams which were fighting against R4 as they dont want that some private build cars will start under their brand...
    This is actually a very valid point which we somehow failed to mention before...
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    I forgot to post this which explains running costs. A few of us sat down and did our own calculations and the build price they are stating at $140k can actually be done for $100k or less if you choose to assemble in countries like Poland or Latvia.

    This link explains it very well.

    http://www.heuvel-motorsport.com/proto/

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    "Brand new proto car" is little bit confusing... especially comparing to "brand new r5" where really everything is brand new.
    All protos I know (and I know most) were build from used evo parts. might be refreshed/rebuild but not new. if you try to build proto with brand new engine, brand new gearbox (not only gearkit, but casings also), brand new transfer, diffs with new LSDs and final drives, new suspension arms, etc, etc. then build cost will be higher than currently estimated. Other problem is not all parts are available as new anymore...
    Van den Heuvel proto which is described in article was actually build in Poland. And is still on polish registration as it's not easy (impossible?) to register it in Netherlands, also just recently they were able to enter it into rally field, last few past years they were driving as zero/X car as federation didn't allow.

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    You are free to choose donors from every manufacturer, it`s your choice....We have the Focus RS, i30N, VAG (Cupra, Golf R, S1 etc)...you can be very creative and use brand new cars and the end result could/would be still cheaper than many seasons used R5 or an Oreca R4. Plus a well maintained-rebuilt old evo equipment isn`t a bad thing.
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    In some countries (Finland, Poland) only Protos with Evo or Subaru parts allowed. Plus I don't think any modern 4wd system will be really useful in proper rally car. That's also why N4 died, as not anymore any suitable cars for it...
    I know properly rebuild evo parts are not bad, but then you need to compare prices with used R5 cars, not with new ones. And still for example used Sadev/Xtrac/Ricardo rear diff will be much better condition than used RS evo diff with basically not known mileage... And this is not a big problem on gravel, but with powerful cars on tarmac RS rear diffs for example are weak and not easy to get good condition one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    But problem with this project is that manufacturers are not interested in it. And Skoda was one of the teams which were fighting against R4 as they dont want that some private build cars will start under their brand...
    The currently rally involved manus aren't interested, but what about all the others? Probably most of them won't get into R4 directly, but they can still allow their importers to start a program locally, competing or promoting monotype cups, wich would be great.
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