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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Popov View Post
    What class are the R4's going to run in? Probably it is discussed already somewhere, but I have missed it.
    They can't be in RC2, neither in RC3.
    R3 maybe? The R3 cars are quite old now, and there is R2 class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17 View Post
    R3 maybe? The R3 cars are quite old now, and there is R2 class.
    R2 and R3 are not classes, they are car types. R3 cars are not all old (Toyota GT86 and Renault Clio both still in production)

    R4 should be in RC2 because N4, NR4 (Mitsubishi´s and Subaru´s) are there also with S2000 and R5
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    Before next year is a good option to harmonize car type and classes. Since today it is a logical breach, and makes no sense for anyone but us petrolheads!

    Now New New
    WRC --> R1 = RC1 (WRC will then mean World Rally Championship only, and not a cartype as well.
    R5 --> R2 = RC2
    R4 --> R3 = RC3
    R3 --> R4 = RC4
    R2 --> R5 = RC5
    R1 --> R6 = RC6
    RGT = RGT

    Agree that it make it easier to understand for all?

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    Do You plan among other things to rewrite all existing rules and make therefore even bigger mess than it is now because everything would be upside-down again?
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Do You plan among other things to rewrite all existing rules and make therefore even bigger mess than it is now because everything would be upside-down again?
    Of course. But that is just a todo job in FIA Hq.
    Search an replace, would not even take that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    R4 should be in RC2 because N4, NR4 (Mitsubishi´s and Subaru´s) are there also with S2000 and R5
    According to current rules and classes, yes, they should be in RC2. But that will kill it furthermore, as you can't even fight for class championship as well.
    Okay, same story with the former N4's, but they are dying anyway.

    Class naming is quite confusing, I agree. I think it will be best to remove the whole RC# thing and just leave it R5, R4, R3 etc. But I guess you can't make that change in the next few years, as there are still a lot of "old generation" cars that have a valid homologation and run.

    R4 car - class RC2 and R2 car - class RC4...doesn't make any sense to anyone who is not that much into things.
    Last edited by Daniel Popov; 26th October 2017 at 07:25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Popov View Post
    R4 car - class RC2 and R2 car - class RC4...doesn't make any sense to anyone who is not that much into things.
    Most likely those people don't even know anything about RC classes. So only annoys the people who actually know it and the awful logic behind it.
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    Yes, R4 will be in RC2, so you can't even fight for class win...

    RC1 = WRC, A8
    RC2 = R5, R4, N4, S2000
    RC3 = R3, A7, S1600
    RC4 = R2, A6, A5, N3 (not sure about A5)
    RC5 = R1, N2, N1

    The old classes (N1-4 and A5-8) are also in the RC classes, although most of these cars have no valid homologation anymore.

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    R4 is (or meant to be) for those who couldn't afford R5, so there is ERC2, ERT2 and other lower tier championships/classes to fight for class win, or national championships fight for overall. no way that someone will use it in WRC for full program, only for selected events maybe. It is not for making wins in RC2 cheaper it is for making gap between R2/R3 and R5 smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
    R4 is (or meant to be) for those who couldn't afford R5, so there is ERC2, ERT2 and other lower tier championships/classes to fight for class win, or national championships fight for overall. no way that someone will use it in WRC for full program, only for selected events maybe. It is not for making wins in RC2 cheaper it is for making gap between R2/R3 and R5 smaller.
    Yep. There’s no problem for R4 to be integrated in RC2. At any time series organizers can promote specific title for them, like it has been done with Gr. N over the years.
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