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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    Quote Originally Posted by focus206
    I thought Loeb won the 2001 French Championship with the Xsara Kit Car
    but indeed I agree with that, many drivers had success at world level without winning anything in their country and especially vice versa.
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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    For sure it´s not an argument winning or not in homeland championship.
    One of the most experienced guys I know with a lot of connections in the worldwide rallying once said that the only thing that matters is to start doing rallies abroad out in Europe at lowest possible cost (small car).

    I do believe that is still the concept to adapt becoming a future WRC-star. Of course the talent in driving must be there as well.
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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek
    Just a little point for You.

    Loeb has never won national title, he even never tried. He did only Citroën Saxo Trophy which he won before he moved to JWRC (which he won on first attempt). Same goes for Ogier. He went to JWRC with only two seasons in Peugeot 206XS trophy (winner in 2007) followed by JWRC victory on first attempt in 2008. Tommi Mäkinen also never won a national title (only one gr.N class one but not overall) and the same goes for Juha Kankkunen or Walter Röhl, . The list of WRC champions who never won their homeland title is long and the fact that none of the most successful (Loeb, Mäkinen, Kankkunen) bothered with trying at home shows that it's relatively irrelevant and I tend to agree with the opinion that it's a waste of time for those who really want to become something and has a backing for it. Taking experience all around the world even in small car gives way more than driving at home.
    Most of those names came from countries with very strong backing for rallying and an established process for building people up to the top tiers of rallying (ie the ASN actually supports/funds in a significant way as the have the ability to!). Plus they are European, so the key events to learn in are local and comparatively cheap (I mean this in comparison to flying half way round the world with your team and car).

    You can't really compare that to the Asia Pacific market, which has very little ability to progress swiftly with good competition and at a reasonable cost. APRC is relatively expensive and a very limited range of competitors (last year rounds were won outright by a 2WD R1 car) and doesn't really have a well contested 2WD feeder category.

    Australia I guess is an option, but only recently has their been a chance to progress in a well supported 2WD series? So realistically you have to spend some time here learning how to drive and succeed before you can show enough worth to be able to go further. There has been several from this region who have moved to competing internationally but Atkinson, Possum Bourne and Arai are the only ones who have succeeded to some degree at this for some time now, and they all date back to effectively a different generation in the WRC.

    So only real option is to move to Europe and do the events you can afford for those of us from the bottom of the world. But you can't get support to do that without a money tree or sponsors, and to get sponsors you need results... So in this context I feel winning local/regional events is important for anyone from this part of the world.

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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    Atkinson has plenty of WRC starts.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    Quote Originally Posted by Munkvy
    Most of those names came from countries with very strong backing for rallying and an established process for building people up to the top tiers of rallying (ie the ASN actually supports/funds in a significant way as the have the ability to!). Plus they are European, so the key events to learn in are local and comparatively cheap (I mean this in comparison to flying half way round the world with your team and car).

    You can't really compare that to the Asia Pacific market, which has very little ability to progress swiftly with good competition and at a reasonable cost. APRC is relatively expensive and a very limited range of competitors (last year rounds were won outright by a 2WD R1 car) and doesn't really have a well contested 2WD feeder category.

    Australia I guess is an option, but only recently has their been a chance to progress in a well supported 2WD series? So realistically you have to spend some time here learning how to drive and succeed before you can show enough worth to be able to go further. There has been several from this region who have moved to competing internationally but Atkinson, Possum Bourne and Arai are the only ones who have succeeded to some degree at this for some time now, and they all date back to effectively a different generation in the WRC.

    So only real option is to move to Europe and do the events you can afford for those of us from the bottom of the world. But you can't get support to do that without a money tree or sponsors, and to get sponsors you need results... So in this context I feel winning local/regional events is important for anyone from this part of the world.
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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper
    For sure it´s not an argument winning or not in homeland championship.
    My reference to winning a national tile was not a suggestion that doing so is an automatic ticket to a WRC seat, or that it should be a prerequisite.
    It was merely one part of a suggestion, that has been paraphrased by a few, that if you want to hire someone to win you're better to hire someone who has won everything they've entered rather than someone who has won nothing.
    Those who win continually are likely to continue to do so, those who don't are likely to continue not to.
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    Re: Hayden Paddon

    Quote Originally Posted by sollitt
    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper
    For sure it´s not an argument winning or not in homeland championship.
    My reference to winning a national tile was not a suggestion that doing so is an automatic ticket to a WRC seat, or that it should be a prerequisite.
    It was merely one part of a suggestion, that has been paraphrased by a few, that if you want to hire someone to win you're better to hire someone who has won everything they've entered rather than someone who has won nothing.
    Those who win continually are likely to continue to do so, those who don't are likely to continue not to.
    I undesrtand your point, a winner is a winner no matter what championship he is in (of course it can't mean much depending of the championship, as I pointed out "our Bulgarian" case). The fact Paddon is in WRC this year already means he is a winner, as it turns out how difficult it is to get there for drivers of this area indeed. Let the fortune be with him to achieve his goals, because this is rare opportunity as he said himself.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Last weekend saw the running of the Otago Rally and the Otago Classic Rally. This event is a round of the NZ Rally Championship with 292km of special stage distance.

    The footage is in-car from Paddons BDG Historic Escort.
    Hayden won the event outright.
    it has been 25 years since a 2WD car has won a round of the NZ Championship

    Enjoy the 15.05km Kuri Bush stage with Hayden

    For those who are interested the Rallysafe unit is showing distance, elapsed time and road speed.

    https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddo...1092926926498/

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    I wanted to resurrect this thread because I've read this article about Paddon's coaching session at Le Mans Circuit.
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/septe...3--12-12-.html

    But especially because this guy is in my opinion the real surprise of this season.
    He is the only one that showed potential and in the meantime achieve some great results and improvements compared to last year.

    He seems to me he is also a very clever guy with a cool head. He is not that kind of guy that wants all and soon. He is ambituous but smart enough not to ruin everything with haste to reach the level he wants to be.

    And I also like all the works he is doing with his coaching sessions on tarmac and I am sure he will improve in this surface as well.

    I think he should also improve his pacenote system which seems to me too much simplistic but I think he has the right mentality to be one or maybe the only interesting prospect in WRC at the moment.
    The other could be Tanak but Paddon seems to me more clever and mature, even if in raw speed Tanak is a bit better in my opinion.

    What do you think about?

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    +1 Paddon is a future star in WRC.
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