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    Hayden Paddon

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    Last weekend saw the running of the Otago Rally and the Otago Classic Rally. This event is a round of the NZ Rally Championship with 292km of special stage distance.

    The footage is in-car from Paddons BDG Historic Escort.
    Hayden won the event outright.
    it has been 25 years since a 2WD car has won a round of the NZ Championship

    Enjoy the 15.05km Kuri Bush stage with Hayden

    For those who are interested the Rallysafe unit is showing distance, elapsed time and road speed.

    https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddo...1092926926498/

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    I wanted to resurrect this thread because I've read this article about Paddon's coaching session at Le Mans Circuit.
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/septe...3--12-12-.html

    But especially because this guy is in my opinion the real surprise of this season.
    He is the only one that showed potential and in the meantime achieve some great results and improvements compared to last year.

    He seems to me he is also a very clever guy with a cool head. He is not that kind of guy that wants all and soon. He is ambituous but smart enough not to ruin everything with haste to reach the level he wants to be.

    And I also like all the works he is doing with his coaching sessions on tarmac and I am sure he will improve in this surface as well.

    I think he should also improve his pacenote system which seems to me too much simplistic but I think he has the right mentality to be one or maybe the only interesting prospect in WRC at the moment.
    The other could be Tanak but Paddon seems to me more clever and mature, even if in raw speed Tanak is a bit better in my opinion.

    What do you think about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    I wanted to resurrect this thread because I've read this article about Paddon's coaching session at Le Mans Circuit.
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/septe...3--12-12-.html

    But especially because this guy is in my opinion the real surprise of this season.
    He is the only one that showed potential and in the meantime achieve some great results and improvements compared to last year.

    He seems to me he is also a very clever guy with a cool head. He is not that kind of guy that wants all and soon. He is ambituous but smart enough not to ruin everything with haste to reach the level he wants to be.

    And I also like all the works he is doing with his coaching sessions on tarmac and I am sure he will improve in this surface as well.

    I think he should also improve his pacenote system which seems to me too much simplistic but I think he has the right mentality to be one or maybe the only interesting prospect in WRC at the moment.
    The other could be Tanak but Paddon seems to me more clever and mature, even if in raw speed Tanak is a bit better in my opinion.

    What do you think about?
    I agree. Somehow I saw that coming when he signed Hyundai, of course 1st year is a learning year and now the "real" results begin to come. He seems very positive and dedicated driver with talent. That seems to be the whole package along with his methodical work. He also is not that slow on asphalt either, but perhaps Germany result was little disappointing for him.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    I wanted to resurrect this thread because I've read this article about Paddon's coaching session at Le Mans Circuit.
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/septe...3--12-12-.html

    But especially because this guy is in my opinion the real surprise of this season.
    He is the only one that showed potential and in the meantime achieve some great results and improvements compared to last year.

    He seems to me he is also a very clever guy with a cool head. He is not that kind of guy that wants all and soon. He is ambituous but smart enough not to ruin everything with haste to reach the level he wants to be.

    And I also like all the works he is doing with his coaching sessions on tarmac and I am sure he will improve in this surface as well.

    I think he should also improve his pacenote system which seems to me too much simplistic but I think he has the right mentality to be one or maybe the only interesting prospect in WRC at the moment.
    The other could be Tanak but Paddon seems to me more clever and mature, even if in raw speed Tanak is a bit better in my opinion.

    What do you think about?
    i agree with you. Tänak has better raw speed, i actually think that Tänak is one of the fastest or fastest in raw speed but like you said Paddon at the moment seems to be more clever and mature. The other thing which speaks for Paddon is that he has experienced co-driver while Raigo is having his first year in a WRC car. Nevertheless both havent shined after their mega performances after Sardinia and Poland respectively, they have been setting some great stage times but have had some set-up issues and so on.

    But these two guys are the future in WRC IMO. Every rally i'm rooting for both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    i agree with you. Tänak has better raw speed, i actually think that Tänak is one of the fastest or fastest in raw speed but like you said Paddon at the moment seems to be more clever and mature. The other thing which speaks for Paddon is that he has experienced co-driver while Raigo is having his first year in a WRC car. Nevertheless both havent shined after their mega performances after Sardinia and Poland respectively, they have been setting some great stage times but have had some set-up issues and so on.

    But these two guys are the future in WRC IMO. Every rally i'm rooting for both of them.
    I was expecting one comment by you Est, and I was pretty sure you didn't agree about my view on Tanak but I see you've been more "honest" than I thought. I, for example, I root for Latvala and I'm not "clear headed" when it comes to judge him.
    I just don't believe you when you say you root for both of them: I'm sure you like Paddon but if Tanak is battling against him you will have no doubt about who support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    i agree with you. Tänak has better raw speed, i actually think that Tänak is one of the fastest or fastest in raw speed but like you said Paddon at the moment seems to be more clever and mature. The other thing which speaks for Paddon is that he has experienced co-driver while Raigo is having his first year in a WRC car. Nevertheless both havent shined after their mega performances after Sardinia and Poland respectively, they have been setting some great stage times but have had some set-up issues and so on.

    But these two guys are the future in WRC IMO. Every rally i'm rooting for both of them.
    No, Tänak definetely has a long way to go with his raw speed. It's versatility that matters and he is nowhere near the pace in slow and twisty gravel events and on tarmac. A lot to learn, specially mental training would be big help. At some point I thought that Tänak has the upper hand on Paddon, but atm seems that Paddon is making it slow and steady, but improving all the time. Tänak shone only in Poland, the event which had more like estonian roads, benefiting the lack of knowledge by experienced drivers and taking huuuuuuuuge risks - basically overdriving the car. He was lucky that time around, but you could clearly see what damage the overdriving has done to his reputation. I'm not wearing estonian glasses, so this statement is honest and not filled with patriotism. I'm not a patriotic person
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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    No, Tänak definetely has a long way to go with his raw speed. It's versatility that matters and he is nowhere near the pace in slow and twisty gravel events and on tarmac. A lot to learn, specially mental training would be big help. At some point I thought that Tänak has the upper hand on Paddon, but atm seems that Paddon is making it slow and steady, but improving all the time. Tänak shone only in Poland, the event which had more like estonian roads, benefiting the lack of knowledge by experienced drivers and taking huuuuuuuuge risks - basically overdriving the car. He was lucky that time around, but you could clearly see what damage the overdriving has done to his reputation. I'm not wearing estonian glasses, so this statement is honest and not filled with patriotism. I'm not a patriotic person
    I agree with you wholeheartedly. Watching the footage of Tanak in Poland he was very fast but every corner there was a potential crash coming.
    What I like about Paddon is he has a plan and is actually executing his plan. Listening to Colin the voice of rally previously he has said the two hardest workers in the field are Neuville and Paddon.

    I also think Paddon is one of the neatest/tidiest and most accurate drivers in the field, I remember watching a WRC round a few years ago when Paddon was in the Skoda, standing at a corner there were two drivers who took the widest line into a corner, hit the apex perfectly and drove away the cleanest, that was Paddon and Loeb. I'm not comparing the two as the cars are different etc (and one is Loeb and the other has a long way to go) but looking at the tyre marks on the road you can tell if smooth is fast these two were head and shoulders above. The worst was Ken Block (we laughed that he needed an aircraft hanger to aim for as his lines were so bad) closely followed by Henning Solberg and Latvala. But then that was a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grundo Farb View Post
    I also think Paddon is one of the neatest/tidiest and most accurate drivers in the field, I remember watching a WRC round a few years ago when Paddon was in the Skoda, standing at a corner there were two drivers who took the widest line into a corner, hit the apex perfectly and drove away the cleanest, that was Paddon and Loeb.
    Somehow I don't agree with that. I have seen Paddon several times on gravel (Finland, Poland) and his trademark always was aggressive driving using sideways and putting car in oversteering. Judging by this year results he starts to change his driving style probably. Without that it's not possible for him to create decent results.

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    +1 Paddon is a future star in WRC.
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