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Thread: Opel's Rally Comeback
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23rd August 2019, 12:45 #81
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That's not exactly a good comparison because unlike digital photography which got widespread naturally the current electric car mania is driven purely by political decision. I'm not saying it's wrong from a long-term perspective but the scale of the change especially in terms of necessary massive investments into the infrastructure make it something completely different.
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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23rd August 2019, 12:55 #82
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23rd August 2019, 13:59 #83
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as i said. people buy them because their government forces them to, not because they want to.
everyone is free to believe what he thinks is right, but the numbers don't lie.
85 million cars on petrol or diesel sold. 1,5 million cars on electricity.
manufacturers hardly sell any electric cars outside country's where those are not extremely advantaged by government intervention in the market.
people don't buy them, so manufacturers don't want to build them.
if it wasn't for the ridiculous rules the EU and some western countries try to enforce, no big manufacturer would even bother to make a decent investment in electric cars. they only do it because the green lobby has a lot of influence in brussels and enforces them to get their average co2 emissions below something what is technically possible. it's politics, not economics.
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23rd August 2019, 15:31 #84
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It Norway, one of the richest state in the world, with unlimited electric production and enormous government subsidies. In the rest of the EU and world situation is different (thanks god...), for example in Slovenia when purchasing a new E-car (pure electric driven!) you can get 7.500 € subsidies. But the state officials already stated that in the future this amount will shrink due to more E-cars sold. Fair enough, because new internal combustion engines with the latest Euro-6d norm are already almost without emissions. So new IC cars are no worry for the climate changes...
Ok, enough of this issue, let's concentrate on topic (and who will be the second from the manufactures who will join Opel....).
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23rd August 2019, 15:41 #85
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Cars have always played a role not worth mentioning in climate changes. Question is the air quality for people.
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24th August 2019, 00:34 #86
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Well, that infrastructure exist and it's a lot more widespread that the distribution of fossil fuels. It started over 100 years ago.
Can you refill your petrol tank at home? But you can recharge your EV at home.
Sure long distance recharge stations need investment, but as it stands most EVs are for short distance city hops and so its a no brainer to plug in and charge overnight at home just like your phone.
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24th August 2019, 00:51 #87
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Besides the green lobby in western countries, the major political motivation actually came from China. It was them who decided to make battery powered EV’s the new automotive trend, mostly as a way to escape from western tech dependence and also to reduce oil imports.
To keep their slice on the huge Chinese market, western manus were forced to enter into EV’s race and managed to use the green lobby influence to spread it through the rest of the world, making current EV’s to look as the perfect solution for transportation pollution issues.
But they’re not: 1 in 2 EV’s worldwide is sold in China and the electric source mix there is based on coal (70%) as it’s in many other countries; considering all the manufacturing process and their electricity source, current EV’s can globaly became a even bigger threat to Earth warming. That’s what EV’s propaganda isn’t telling us.
I truly believe sooner or later people will realize all this and ask for a real eco friendly tech, which already exists but is still underdeveloped: hydrogen powered EV’s. Untill we get there it would be wiser to trust in the hard work engineers kept doing to make ICE cars more efficient and less polluant.
That’s why FIA choice for mild Hybrid tech on 2022 WRC cars should be praised; Rally will manage to skip unsuited battery powered EV’s, while wainting for the Hydrogen ones to be available in the long term.
Sorry for the long OT post and here some interesting links:
https://chineseclimatepolicy.energyp...ctric-vehicles
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-is-the-future
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/c...l-warming.htmlLast edited by Rally Power; 24th August 2019 at 10:40.
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24th August 2019, 08:39 #88
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No, it does not exist. The current infrastructure is able to support millions or billions of combustion cars but only a much smaller number of EVs. It's virtually impossible to replace the combustion cars with EVs without building a new infrastructure especially in big cities. What you say absolutely doesn't apply for city blocks of flats with hundreds of cars at every house.
It also doesn't exist on motorways. If you replace the current combustion traffic with EV the motorways are going to collapse because the recharging capacity is laughable compared to the traffic density. In fact due to the time needed to recharge you need many more recharging stations than petrol stations to keep the same traffic density running.
That's why new infrastructure has to be built, needs billions of investments and will take years to be built. But a massive spread of EVs is impossible without that.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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24th August 2019, 10:18 #89
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Things happen for reasons, not excuses.
Looks like a lot of understeer for Evans.
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