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    can a private team be competetive against works teams? No.

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    Haven't M-Sport been competitive with their Fiesta R5's ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    can a private team be competetive against works teams? No.
    There are hardly any works teams left. 80% of modern rallying are private entries.
    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Could VW sold the whole Polo R5 operation to a private team, and let them continue development and sell cars?
    Which private team would have facilities to build those cars? M-Sport maybe, but...

    Also, do homologations need to be signed by the manufacturer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    It seems possible. I remember that some private team took over Corollas WRC after Toyota had withdrawn from rallying at the end of the nineties. Who was it? Grifone? Step 2? Those cars were still being used for a few years by private drivers.
    http://www.lanciarally037.com/team/grifone-05.htm
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    But Toyota Corolla was a much more successful car than Volkswagen Polo.
    They just bought the ex-factory cars and rented them for private drivers? Just like Printsport, TGS etc. are doing all the time with Rally2 cars? Or did Grifone start building new Corolla WRC's or homologating new parts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    They just bought the ex-factory cars and rented them for private drivers? Just like Printsport, TGS etc. are doing all the time with Rally2 cars? Or did Grifone start building new Corolla WRC's or homologating new parts?
    I don't know any details, sorry.
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    If but only if VW cooperates on homologation of new parts than some reasonable development is possible even on private basis. I have two such examples from our country alone.

    2006-2007 CRT Kopecký - the Fabia WRC homologations continued until 2007 even though the works team was not in charge anymore and was not even existing.
    2011-2015 Invelt/Pech - the Mini RRC, the team developed some own solutions such as new gear ratios which were homologated by BMW/Prodrive even after the development of the car was long ended.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    There are hardly any works teams left. 80% of modern rallying are private entries.
    service can do everybody,but you have to evolute the car.And that cant be possible when this car will fight against works cars,that evolute continiously.

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    When Markko Martin was driving the Toyota Corolla WRC in 2000, steering wheel paddleshift was homologated for the car, after the official TTE world rally program with Auriol and Sainz had ended.

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