Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[AL14]

Don't know exactly what was the problem but it's known he wasn't happy there. If I remember well when he was in Ford he won only in Greece, Delecour was faster than him in the Escort and the car wasn't developed too much compared to others.

[stefanvv]

Well, the Escort RS Cosworth was their hope to beat all the competition, but it was unreliable car. Probably that has been a frustration, but it was much faster car than Sierra which he also drove. If he has hoped Escort to be the new "Lancia", this never happened.

[Ounin]

I can't find anything wrong which can't be found in all ages of WRC. He was quick with 037 and with Delta HF

No, don't worry, there is nothing wrong with Biasion, a legend in fact, but this thread is a bar thread read; don't take stupid remarks seriously. And the people who make comparisons between the drivers of today and the ones of 30 years ago
-whitch is impossible- and call old legends pussy's is not arrogant or dumb, it's too much beer.

[stefanvv]

Oh I'm not worrying. But You're right, every age is different, and these comparisons are a bit stupid

[journeyman racer]

The input a driver must excel in Rallying is much more than any circuit racing. It's not only the variety of corners, but surface, grip levels, risk management. As defined in Nose end first thread - the "toolboxes" are more a driver must learn to handle. Not to mention the need of co-driver and the good co-operation with him.

Less punishing physically? Then You probably don't know about the marathon Rallies in Group B days. As for conventional driving, I don't agree at all, no left foot braking and Scandinavian flicks in conventional driving just for one example.

Marathon Rallies from the past won't count. We're just talking for a concentrated, even period. The GP drivers are cooped in, with nowhere to go. They absorb all the energy going through the car. With Rally, your arms and legs are somewhat free, so the body doesn't absorb all the energy. You can't deny the physicality of F1?

If we agree that top level motorsport has to have some relation with regular motoring. I'd also say left foot braking and Scandinavian flicks are a part of conventional driving. While you might not get away with it on public roads. It is those techniques that you need to do to hustle a standard production car around a stage. Whereas with a tarmac circuit. You can't drive a prod car the same way as you would drive an F1 car. Despite it's popularity, F1 would be less relevant than Rallying because of this.

Re the physicality issue: don't think little Lewis would cope on a gravel stage with the power steering failed, and there are many other challenges of endurance, even in the modern style of WRC, that the drivers have to face.

It'd just be a matter of conditioning?

May I ask what is such penis measurement contest good for?

No

It's old as hell and nobody ever won it. If the only purpose is trolling than it doesn't require any serious inputs...

That's good. Because it didn't.

[journeyman racer]

30 years ago rally drivers were girls compared to the ones of today... they were losing rallies from women, biasions, scared men and smokers....

He's still better than an F1 champ?

Oh yes, remember that great athlete that won the World Rally Championship 30 years ago

In theory, Timo's success, despite his "inferior" athletic ability, would make him a superior driver to someone with more success than him?

[stefanvv]

Marathon Rallies from the past won't count. We're just talking for a concentrated, even period. The GP drivers are cooped in, with nowhere to go. They absorb all the energy going through the car. With Rally, your arms and legs are somewhat free, so the body doesn't absorb all the energy. You can't deny the physicality of F1?

If we agree that top level motorsport has to have some relation with regular motoring. I'd also say left foot braking and Scandinavian flicks are a part of conventional driving. While you might not get away with it on public roads. It is those techniques that you need to do to hustle a standard production car around a stage. Whereas with a tarmac circuit. You can't drive a prod car the same way as you would drive an F1 car. Despite it's popularity, F1 would be less relevant than Rallying because of this.

To tell You the truth, I don't really care who wins that battle. As Mirek said, there never was 1, and will never be. I gave You some directions to think about if You want some arguments for somewhere else, but the truth is different for every person, just like the truth is 1 champion better than other. Everyone will have his fans, more or less.
And about marathon rallies 30 years ago, we should consider them as more real rally than nowadays, so this is valid argument. That is true f1 has much more g-forces, but that's the nature of the sport, if 1 is not well prepared for it, better not doing it. I personally can't judge from few hours in the gym every day about driving abilities.

[Nornbugger]

In theory, Timo's success, despite his "inferior" athletic ability, would make him a superior driver to someone with more success than him?

Ari though this back then and thats good enough for me

[janvanvurpa]

Well, the Escort RS Cosworth was their hope to beat all the competition, but it was unreliable car. Probably that has been a frustration, but it was much faster car than Sierra which he also drove. If he has hoped Escort to be the new "Lancia", this never happened.

And yet 20 years after, 17 years after the World rally car version, Mats Jonsson in the SM event behind WRC, on rutted and torn up roads---sets times which beat all but top 4 current best fastest ever Heros...
Kind of odd that the car was 'unreliable"--and equlaly odd it was faster--with the biggest difference from Sierra being the length of the prop shaft and 1 section of the exhaust..
(I have Sierra 4x4 Cosworth and now what is different...and what the World Rally Car spec is)

Hmmmm 17 y.o. car, driver in mid 50s--beat all but top 4 WRC drivers.

was ist der los?

[Nornbugger]

And yet 20 years after, 17 years after the World rally car version, Mats Jonsson in the SM event behind WRC, on rutted and torn up roads---sets times which beat all but top 4 current best fastest ever Heros...
Kind of odd that the car was 'unreliable"--and equlaly odd it was faster--with the biggest difference from Sierra being the length of the prop shaft and 1 section of the exhaust..
(I have Sierra 4x4 Cosworth and now what is different...and what the World Rally Car spec is)

Hmmmm 17 y.o. car, driver in mid 50s--beat all but top 4 WRC drivers.

was ist der los?

What tyres do the SM events use? Mats was quick back in the day, but not superhuman