Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Allez Andruet]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10718235

FIA's former WRC frontman, recently retired Jarmo Mahonen reveals in a Finnish interview that total of 27 countries applied for a WRC event for 2018 season. According to Mahonen, "unfortunately it's ever more often the one with the most money, who's awarded with the hosting rights".

For the calls for longer rallies Mahonen has quite a practical answer: "organizing a WRC rally costs roughly 3000€ per km". Most are probably capable to do the math from that.

Mahonen also points out, how unequal the organizers are when it comes to financial side of things. Most European rallies must constantly come up with new ideas to secure the funding, but for example the upcoming rally in Chile will be completely funded by the government.

[denkimi]

https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-10718235

FIA's former WRC frontman, recently retired Jarmo Mahonen reveals in a Finnish interview that total of 27 countries applied for a WRC event for 2018 season. According to Mahonen, "unfortunately it's ever more often the one with the most money, who's awarded with the hosting rights".

For the calls for longer rallies Mahonen has quite a practical answer: "organizing a WRC rally costs roughly 3000€ per km". Most are probably capable to do the math from that.

Mahonen also points out, how unequal the organizers are when it comes to financial side of things. Most European rallies must constantly come up with new ideas to secure the funding, but for example the upcoming rally in Chile will be completely funded by the government.

Most of the costs remain the same, even if the number of stage miles would increase. So the financial excuse for short rally's is just bullshit.

[Allez Andruet]

Most of the costs remain the same, even if the number of stage miles would increase. So the financial excuse for short rally's is just bullshit.

I wonder how that logic works?

[Berke]

Dakar moving to Saudi Arabia. Don't know what to say...

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/new...rabia/4364574/

[Gregor-y]

didnt watch the rally,but i read at twitter that the bonnet opened midstage and broke his windscreen

I ran timing on four stages. The first time he came through cleanly. The second time the left front wing was gone. The third time was just after the hood smashed his windscreen with some other front end damage that loosened the hood. The final run was clean, too. Dave Higgins clearly led from Solberg (15-20 seconds per stage I timed) and McKenna (maybe ten seconds) but lost four minutes with a breakdown.

Not counting Dave Higgins dropping to third due to an electrical issue Solberg didn't to badly at all. He was beat by an Irishman with prior experience in an S2000 Turbo Fiesta. For the wealthier locals R5, 3 and kit Fiestas are starting to replace the ubiquitous Imprezas.

[denkimi]

I wonder how that logic works?

Basically most of what you need for a rally stays the same, no matter the amount of stage kilometers. Service area, regroup area, rally HQ, media facilities, hospitality, timing equipment, radio, website, tickets, fences, ...

If you make the stages longer but keep the same number of them, then all you need are some extra marshals.

[denkimi]

Dakar moving to Saudi Arabia. Don't know what to say...

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/new...rabia/4364574/

I hope its an aprils fool, but it seems a bit late for that..

Either a lot of laws will have to change in SA, or this could be the end of the dakar.

[Allez Andruet]

Basically most of what you need for a rally stays the same, no matter the amount of stage kilometers. Service area, regroup area, rally HQ, media facilities, hospitality, timing equipment, radio, website, tickets, fences, ...

That's highly theoretical, unlikely to be replicated in reality.

If you make the stages longer but keep the same number of them, then all you need are some extra marshals.

Really? No need for additional money to repair the roads etc?

[Mirek]

That's highly theoretical, unlikely to be replicated in reality.


Really? No need for additional money to repair the roads etc?

... and ambulances, firemen and a fuckton of extra paperwork

[the sniper]

Basically most of what you need for a rally stays the same, no matter the amount of stage kilometers. Service area, regroup area, rally HQ, media facilities, hospitality, timing equipment, radio, website, tickets, fences, ...

If you make the stages longer but keep the same number of them, then all you need are some extra marshals.

I can't speak for every country, but neither should you. In the UK for example there are major costs associated with the charges levied by the forest owners for use of their roads. For example, if you were organising a forest rally in Scotland in 2016, you'd have been paying Forestry Commission Scotland £688 for each mile used on a first run, plus £408 for a subsequent second pass. These charges have only gone up since then. That's a flat rate, so it doesn't matter how many cars have entered the rally...