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    Quote Originally Posted by NickRally View Post
    Journeyman racer, if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you? The reason I am asking is that you were probably not there in 1986 – WRC displaced F1 from the so called pinnacle of motorsport, I know as I was there. It didn’t last long, but only because F1 had Mr Ecclestone, who is the real reason F1 today is what it is. If he fancied WRC, or any other form of motorsport for that matter, then that is what would have been the “pinnacle” today.

    I know people will jump saying the 1986 story couldn’t have and didn’t last long due to the fatalities, so change was needed – that is correct, but not the way the WRC was dealt with, i.e. banning the cars that made it great. When in the 1960’s, the fatalities in F1 were coming every other week, they didn’t ban the cars and turned to “production” models, they improved the safety of the cars that made F1 special. It could have happened in WRC, but there was no one to defend its corner.
    I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.

    I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.

    Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

    Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.

    It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.

    I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.

    Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

    Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.

    It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1
    Thank for your input prison colony...

    now go bother with what hand lotion your ladyboy f1 drivers use after the race....
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    Well, traffic sucks everywhere, especially f1 kind of traffic, where there is no opportunity to pass others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Thank for your input prison colony...

    now go bother with what hand lotion your ladyboy f1 drivers use after the race....
    Lotion has ran out. Ladyboy F1 drivers have used it all on your arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    I'm 37. Idk in what context WRC would've replaced F1. It doesn't matter in the sense that it still would've been the premier car racing class. From the history I know of, I'm led to believe that in the 60ssportscar racing had an more clout due to the smaller F1 cars and smaller fields.

    I'm not sure how much influence Ecclestone had? I think it's more that he made the most of the popularity of motor racing which was always there. Failure to make it commercially powerful would be akin to the premier league failing to be popular in England.

    Fair enough if you guys are passionate about Rallying. Despite being a premier motorsport competition, it's not perfect. You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.

    Not only does Rallying not have traffic, but is essentially a touring car that can handle the off road. Touring car racing has always been a couple of steps down from F1. But Rallying has the difficult conditions to drive in and the lack of repetition circuit racing has.

    It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1
    I donīt see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said itīs waist of time.

    What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?
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    LOL How can anybody dislike N.O.T? He's been doing top-grade trolling on this forum for 18 years. The man is a gift!

    You find me another forum anywhere on the internet with someone that dedicated to his craft.

    I, for one, salute you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I donīt see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said itīs waist of time.

    What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?
    Ah come on, now. If the man thinks what he thinks let him speak. Bartender, a round of drinks for everyone!
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    Rally will never be f1 for the simple reason that f1 is far more casual...

    every overweight human dog can spend 2-3 hours on a sunday and watch that garbage and claim he likes motorsports, he might go a step further and along with his supersize coke orders a cap of his favourite team... plus all the celebrity status attracts women as well so the crowds grow.

    Rally needs dedication... you need to waste 3 whole days of your life to follow it properly... so even if TV grows still nobody will spend their weekends watching motorsports unless they are problematic like most of us here...

    f1 fans are like pop song fans... the bottom feeders of life with no standards.

    and you dare bring f1 discussion in my house ????? HOW DARE YOU ?????

    now back to proper discussion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I donīt see why you should bather sit in a bar full of rallyfans arguing in favour of F1 racing? As been said itīs waist of time.

    What was the question in the first place? Ahhh, never mind. Why not just stick to the F1 forums?
    It must be some kind of a virus. Each time I got to the word f1, I just stop reading.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    f1 fans are like pop song fans...

    this sentence is one of the best I`ve heard regarding the subject, sums it all up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    You can't deny F1 it's place at the top, even if it's not alone. The cars are much more powerful which in itself legitimises it, and has the complication of traffic. Being able to deal with traffic is part of being a great driver.
    What an irony, at my place of work (F1 team) we admire the top rally drivers more than the top F1 drivers, and that is without being disrespectful towards the F1 drivers.

    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    It's certainly not inferior to F1, it's just it's never going to take the sunshine away from F1
    Taking the sunshine away from F1 is a very good way to put it - as I said, top flight rallying did exactly that in the mid 80's.

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