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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Even if you used a diesel generator to charge an electric car, it would still consume less energy than a diesel car. https://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-ev...nal-car-61942/
    Does really anybody see the result of the test as a good one for the EV? The spent energy difference in same driving profile is marginal while the EV car costs three times more, has much shorter range and requires long time spent on recharging. I don't see any advantage here. Also the talk about weight is quite crap in the article because of the simple fact that EV is heavy because it is EV and therefore it's perfectly natural that it's way heavier than similar combustion engine powered car.

    PS The diesel generator used in the test likely hasn't feature any anti-pollution features such as catalyzer, particle filter or AD blue injection. With them the efficiency of the generator would be likely worse.

    PSS What Dupanton said. The batteries have to be included. Their production is anything but environment friendly and it doesn't help that they are produced somewhere in Asia where it's not visible.

    Anyway EV is good for pollution in cities. For sure. But for energy efficiency and user comfort not yet.
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    EV is great for advertising. No one sees where the real polluting happens. It's like living in a bubble.

    Also some time ago read quite a long article quoting PSA's CEO Tavares that pretty much said that the current push for EVs is not natural and no one seems to think about the possible aftermath (batteries).

    Having done two +20000km road trips in Eurasia, I don't see how EV can be a viable option for anything than European urban commuting. At least currently. I'd have a hard think before entering Mongolia or Central Asia with an EV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watson View Post
    My look on it is: Push electric cars for people who don't care about cars and racing so there is more left for those of us who do.
    Save emissions and the planet in day to day life and pedal to the metal for our entertainment.
    The push for EVs is not about protecting the environment; is about keeping a slice of the gigantic Chinese car market; most western manus engaged themselves into the EVs race only after China decided to make EVs a priority.

    For China, EVs massive production is a never ending wining situation: it reduces their dependency on foreign oil and allows them to use their raw materials reserves to became a worldwide leader in batteries production; as EVs are a new technology, they don’t need to import western knowhow like in the ICE era, they’ll be (they are already) at the front since day one; additionally they’ll be able to turn down their cities ridiculous levels of air pollution.

    There’s only one catch (for them and the whole world): with massive reserves of cheap coal available, China electricity production based in clean sources will always be low, meaning the global CO2 emissions will inevitably grow with the increase of their coal based electricity production...
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22001356

    With this overall negative eco-balance and the implications of having China leading another vital sector, western countries must get smart and find alternatives; while Japanese keep their research on hydrogen (a different EV tech), Germany manus are wisely investing on a B plan that allows keeping the use of ICEs: synthetic fuels.
    http://www.bosch-presse.de/pressport...al-120448.html

    Btw, those who think that it’ll be fine to switch motorsport from ICE tech to EV tech are totally wrong: if EVs become dominant as primal share of new vehicles, left wing short seeing politicians won’t rest till they get rid of the current circulating park; it’d take time, but the sectors using ICE cars as a recreation or sport would be the first to suffer; you don’t need to be a genius to understand that motorsport would be confined to autodromes and all sort of public road disciplines (including Rally) banned.

    That’s why each and every remark of Mr. Rohrl deserves our applause.
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    Electric beer, someone? Let´s talk about carburetors from WEBER or something.
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    Well, we can have the same reference with beer, alcoholic and non-alcoholic beer.

    I don’t understand the people who drink non-alcoholic beer.
    "Some famous quote from some famous person"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    I don’t understand the people who drink non-alcoholic beer.
    Hehe, actually I do... at work for the lunch. We do not have anything alcoholic at work and it's still better than drinking Coca Cola.
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    Excellent, thanks dimviii.

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    Franky there are ev's (100 percent) that have been some fairly remote places by being covered with pv panels to power them. Just have to wait till the cloud cover disperses sometimes.

    EvS in the future are likely to be different from the Tesla. leaf, ioniq etc that are around today.
    e.g Quant nanoflow cell - redox battery car swiss etc

    quant nanocell ev - clamed 300km/h topspeed
    https://youtu.be/gHgYYLTV43o

    Redox flow battery
    https://youtu.be/AagO07cHRG8
    The current technology can have problems with the membrane plugging up and 'growths' which can disrupt and ruin the membrane etc.

    Could work in an electric rally car - swap depleted electrolytes a and b for new charged electrolytes at service point. (probably could be made faster than battery swaps and recharges etc)

    China and parts of the US nuke industry are working on next generation reactors - with hopefully safer nuke chemistry/ physics. China is building lots of new nuke power stations presently.
    This meeting this week is likely to be part of setting the asian nuke power agenda in the coming years. Even the Philippines is looking to see how they can use the Bataan power plant.
    ais nuke business platform shanghai 9-10th May 2018
    http://www.nuclearbusiness-platform....ia/site_visit/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeakiwi View Post
    Franky there are ev's (100 percent) that have been some fairly remote places by being covered with pv panels to power them. Just have to wait till the cloud cover disperses sometimes.
    I know that there are even races for solar powered vehicles. But I mean long term travelling that's not "We need to wait one more day", incase the gathered charge is not enough.

    I'm not against vehicles fuelled by alternative energies but at the moment EVs are still at infancy when you look at it on a global scale.

    Also another question would be the second hand market of EVs - how long will they be good for. When driving through Central Asia I saw quite many cars with Lithuanian stickers and obviously those cars were originally in Germany. So old cars bought in Germany were on their third cycle (Germany -> Lithuania -> Kyrgyzstan in this case)
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