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    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    A few months ago, some of you got sand in your jock because I dared to validate an F1/circuit racer's ability in comparison to Rally drivers. Since then, 5 time WRC Sebastien Ogier floundered in the DTM. Diminishing the notion of Rally drivers being any better.


    But don't worry. Overall, Ogier is still the best driver in the world. Cars in circuit racing nowadays have had so much engineering input into them, that you kind of have to be a specialist to succeed even in the lower levels of professional motorsport.
    It's too early to say. Any driver needs time to settle in and learn the nuances and fine points of a completely different discipline. Circuit racing and rallying share almost nothing in common so let's see after 15 races where he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    A few months ago, some of you got sand in your jock because I dared to validate an F1/circuit racer's ability in comparison to Rally drivers. Since then, 5 time WRC Sebastien Ogier floundered in the DTM. Diminishing the notion of Rally drivers being any better.


    But don't worry. Overall, Ogier is still the best driver in the world. Cars in circuit racing nowadays have had so much engineering input into them, that you kind of have to be a specialist to succeed even in the lower levels of professional motorsport.
    Put down the beer and step away from the keyboard.

    Ogier not doing well does not "diminish the notion of rally drivers" anything..

    it says only that Ogier is not doing too well..and does not say at all why..
    Is it because he has crazy ideas how to drive circuits?
    Or maybe he has a big ego and makes a big deal about how he wants the car set up--and its wrong?
    Maybe the team hates him and ignores him?
    One could speculate for weeks...but its circuit racing, so who cares?

    Maybe you should try some remedial logic classes evenings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    I got a little carried away maybe, but I could go on and on about how amazing Rally Argentina was for me.
    Nice post mate; you’ll end convincing all us to visit Rally Argentina!
    Rally addict since 1982

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    Quote Originally Posted by hype View Post
    Thanks for your amazing description, you're helping me a lot, especially with the tip to visit Buenos Aires.
    Although I like nature more than cities, I'd love to see the Glaciares national park for example, but that's waaaay more South, Argentina is so big :-)
    By freely roam around I meant the stages, like are marshals very strict or can you freely walk around the stage?
    The stages and the roads leading to them are already naturally beautiful and swerve around the mountains, so that's already some nature for you! It might be a stretch to go south, but some low cost flights have begun lately so there might be a flight you can catch from the Patagonia straight to Cordoba.

    I'm not so sure how strict the marshalls are because I didn't walk around the stages too much. In between runs they're very relaxed for sure, because I saw people wandering around, and while they were quite strict in Tanti before the 000 car came through I'm sure you can walk on the stage anyway. All the people at the watersplash on that stage must have walked on it because it's the only way to get there (I was a little too compliant with the stewards since it was my first time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHL View Post
    It's too early to say. Any driver needs time to settle in and learn the nuances and fine points of a completely different discipline. Circuit racing and rallying share almost nothing in common so let's see after 15 races where he is.
    yeah, I said that racing cars these day have so much input in them that you have to become a specialist in them to succeed. It wouldn't surprise me if guys like Alonso and Hamilton couldn't dominate DTM. The question whether Ogier will ever get the time to master a dtm car, and if it's even worthwhile doing when he has a harder discipline to deal with?

    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    Put down the beer and step away from the keyboard.

    Ogier not doing well does not "diminish the notion of rally drivers" anything..

    it says only that Ogier is not doing too well..and does not say at all why..
    Is it because he has crazy ideas how to drive circuits?
    Or maybe he has a big ego and makes a big deal about how he wants the car set up--and its wrong?
    Maybe the team hates him and ignores him?
    One could speculate for weeks...but its circuit racing, so who cares?

    Maybe you should try some remedial logic classes evenings?
    Don't get upset. Did you not read all of the post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    yeah, I said that racing cars these day have so much input in them that you have to become a specialist in them to succeed. It wouldn't surprise me if guys like Alonso and Hamilton couldn't dominate DTM. The question whether Ogier will ever get the time to master a dtm car, and if it's even worthwhile doing when he has a harder discipline to deal with?



    Don't get upset. Did you not read all of the post?

    What a strange presumption. not at all upset..Just pointing out an error in logic...Not disagreeing that DTM is specialised skills just that because Ogier hasn't done well means anything beyond that. It doesn prove that DTM drivers, or track racers are anything..

    This is a rally forum. DTM and how or what anybody does there has no relevance to anything this forum is about..
    The roadracers vs rally drivers "debate" is a horse that was beaten to death decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post

    This is a rally forum. DTM and how or what anybody does there has no relevance to anything this forum is about..
    IMO, It's actually quite relevant to discuss Ogier and what he does in DTM. He is the current reigning World Champion in rally and he has shown time and time again that he has briallaint race craft. It would be quite normal to be curious how that would translate. I suspect it could translate well, if he goes all in and has a good team around him, but there are no guarantees. Time will tell but as long as he is driving a rally car, it's interesting to also follow other things he is doing.

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    Ogier did an impressive job at Spielberg. He actually finished race 1 in P12, overtaken by two cars just in the last lap because of him being a bit too reckless. Watch the end of race 1 from his onboard video...breathtaking. That man was on fire!!!

    Watch from 1:01:50
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqx-3D-Uh2k

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    Paddon for Waimate50 - street race event - demonstration/ ride laps in the AP4+ Hyundai i20.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-heral...-at-waimate-50

    The Targa next week - as at 17/ 10 does not list HP as a competitive section entry, so possibly a zero car in an i30N or in the targa tour section? co-drivers not mentioned. There were rumours of another competition hyundai being prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanremo View Post
    Ogier did an impressive job at Spielberg. He actually finished race 1 in P12, overtaken by two cars just in the last lap because of him being a bit too reckless. Watch the end of race 1 from his onboard video...breathtaking. That man was on fire!!!

    Watch from 1:01:50
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqx-3D-Uh2k
    he qualified last in both races... i highly doubt someone on fire would score P12...

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