Citroen WRT

[tomhlord]

Turns out the WRC is not the only motorsport losing Citroen in 2020...

“new global guidelines” https://www.touringcartimes.com/2019...-tc-2000-exit/

[RaunoK]

The slow development argument is BS; Ogier was leading the series until Sardinia and despite the hydraulic issue in Catalunya he shouldn’t blame the car or the team for loosing the title. He crashed in Sardinia, felt ill in Finland and got a puncture in Germany; adding his off in Sweden makes one to realize he was less regular than the previous years. The C3 wasn’t the fastest car around (especially on tarmac) but in 2017-18 Ogier wasn’t also driving the fastest car; his regularity was then the key to become champ.

Maybe he was making more mistakes because the car wasn't good enough and he had to push more?

[wia5958]

The slow development argument is BS; Ogier was leading the series until Sardinia and despite the hydraulic issue in Catalunya he shouldn’t blame the car or the team for loosing the title. He crashed in Sardinia, felt ill in Finland and got a puncture in Germany; adding his off in Sweden makes one to realize he was less regular than the previous years. The C3 wasn’t the fastest car around (especially on tarmac) but in 2017-18 Ogier wasn’t also driving the fastest car; his regularity was then the key to become champ.

I don't mean just last year from 17 development has been slow in 3 years they made it from a fast tarmac car to a middling gravel car and removed the entire tarmac performance in the process. It's hardly development is it. Aero changed little or none at all until last months of this year and will never be seen on stages engine wasn't developed as this was citroens strongest point Ogier not once can I remember said he was happy with the car. Always on the limit

[flykas]

The slow development argument is BS; Ogier was leading the series until Sardinia and despite the hydraulic issue in Catalunya he shouldn’t blame the car or the team for loosing the title. He crashed in Sardinia, felt ill in Finland and got a puncture in Germany; adding his off in Sweden makes one to realize he was less regular than the previous years. The C3 wasn’t the fastest car around (especially on tarmac) but in 2017-18 Ogier wasn’t also driving the fastest car; his regularity was then the key to become champ.

I guess by regularity you mean consistency. Yeah his consistency was the key to previously, but you won't win a title by being consistently slow with a shitty car. I mean, I am sure that no one would argue that Ogier can drive on tarmac and what did we see this year, do you think that he somehow forgot how to drive on tarmac?

[mknight]

It's hardly development is it. Aero changed little or none at all until last months of this year and will never be seen on stages engine wasn't developed as this was citroens strongest point Ogier not once can I remember said he was happy with the car. Always on the limit

While you are right about aero they had at least two engine upgrades last one for Germany this year.

[Rally Power]

Maybe he was making more mistakes because the car wasn't good enough and he had to push more?

That could be the case if you really believe that Ogier poor results were only due to the car, while the good ones (8 podiums, including 3 wins) were just because of the driver…

Btw, in 2 of Ogier’s 4 unsuccessful events Lappi was P2.

[dimviii]

Maybe he was making more mistakes because the car wasn't good enough and he had to push more?

there was years that he had to push less (polo)
you cant have always the best car.

[EstWRC]

OK Tanak was out of contract, but in effect he left Toyota who wanted to keep him after winning two titles.

Tanak joining Hyundai (with Neuville) was a big surprise and has done the WRC no favours, and has now effectively caused the loss of Citroen.

Does anyone think the WRC is now in a better position than 2019 ?

but what about this theory Eddie. i have been thinking about this for a week now (after hearing Budars interview on gravel notes)

what IF Ogier was the reason that Tänak left TGR? Budar said in the gravelnotes podcast that at around Rally Germany time it was clear Ogier didnt want to continue with them.

So, Ott heard that Ogier is having talks with Tommi joining Toyota and we know Ott doesnt want to be with him in the same team anymore, pluss the bad environment in the team.

And that weird body language from both of them (Ott and Ogier) at rally wales press conference when Tommi is talking about next season.


I maybe thrown with rocks now because i have noticed whatever Ogier does most people here defend him for that. But ill take the chance.


E: seeing now that on estonian forum one user is basically saying the same and confirming it, so im not the only one who is thinking so

[dimviii]

I maybe thrown with rocks now because i have noticed whatever Ogier does most people here defend him for that. But ill take the chance.

why to throw rocks mate? this scenario isnt out of picture.

[flykas]

I maybe thrown with rocks now because i have noticed whatever Ogier does most people here defend him for that. But ill take the chance.

How would that need a defence? Dosen't sound like some bad move from Ogier.