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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Well what then are other world championships if not elitist? They are the best ones of their field. However, in motorsport we must accept that pure sporting talent alone is not enough, you also need to have money to compete on high level. Someone pays the bills in order to get marketing in return, and they have the right to stop doing so, if they don't consider it viable.
    Other world championships have usually over 20 competitors on track. This is in danger of becoming boring again like when we had only Citroen and ford competing and only a couple of drivers winning every year.
    How are we going to get the excitement of 4 drivers level on times and six within a second or two like Finland this year when most of them won't even be able to get a drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    Other world championships have usually over 20 competitors on track. This is in danger of becoming boring again like when we had only Citroen and ford competing and only a couple of drivers winning every year.
    Yeah, unlike F1 which has more than 10 different race winners every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Andruet View Post
    Yeah, unlike F1 which has more than 10 different race winners every year.
    Which is a sport I used to watch for years every qualifying and every race but I no longer do. I've watched one race in the last couple of years, I've put the highlights on a couple of times at night and I've fallen asleep within half an hour. Bad example.

    Edit: having said that at least F1 has had Hamilton, Vettel, Leclerc, Bottas and Verstappen at least win races (I think) which is more than the wrc will get next season.
    Last edited by Norm75; 20th November 2019 at 21:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    Other world championships have usually over 20 competitors on track. This is in danger of becoming boring again like when we had only Citroen and ford competing and only a couple of drivers winning every year.
    How are we going to get the excitement of 4 drivers level on times and six within a second or two like Finland this year when most of them won't even be able to get a drive.
    I agree, the more teams, the more competitive championship. Still, the wrc has been worse in recent history.
    We could still see some tight battles between the 3 top guys, two of them are teammates so that could get exiting to. Don't jump to negative conclusions to fast. I hope that Msport signs one fast (rally winning speed) driver, like Meeke, Latvalla or Lappi, one of those guys could be in the mix sometimes I think.

    What's the chanse we could see private Citroëns competing here and there next year? Abu Dhabi money, Ostberg,..

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    Tommi said he at least wants one Finn on the team and he got Kalle.

    Malcolm can easily top that with a all Finn team.. M-Sport team for 2020?? JML, Lappi and Suninen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    Which is a sport I used to watch for years every qualifying and every race but I no longer do. I've watched one race in the last couple of years, I've put the highlights on a couple of times at night and I've fallen asleep within half an hour. Bad example.

    Edit: having said that at least F1 has had Hamilton, Vettel, Leclerc, Bottas and Verstappen at least win races (I think) which is more than the wrc will get next season.
    so who do you think would suddenly start to win races in 2020 beside or against the TOP3?

    the situation would be same if Citroen had stayed
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    Citroen have been a disgrace, the arrogance of the management (Jackson and Tavares) is almost beyond belief. The openly blame everyone only themselves.

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    What do you expect from Citroen, the car has very rarely been competitive, Seb tried his best where Kris and others failed.To use Seb's move to Toyota as the reason sighting no top line driver to sign is a joke. They just don't give a stuff for the WRC. Not enough seats now for some really talented drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubled1978 View Post
    I see a few people saying they are blaming Ogier, I’m not sure that’s the case really, they are just telling the truth, that without him and they almost certainly don’t have a chance to win, so why spend the €Xmillion when they are set to leave anyway.
    Doesn’t mean I agree, or want them to go but I understand their position.
    No matter how understandable it can be, the truth is that Citroen immediate pull out feels like a low blow on the WRC and on Citroen staff and fans. The car has improved on gravel since Finland and with only 1 tarmac rally, alongside the new upgrades, it’d likely be more competitive next year, even without Ogier at the wheel.

    For sure Ogier is free to look for a better team, especially after Catalunya’s fail, but one should also remember his off in Sweden, his crash in Sardinia and his poor performance in Finland (while Lappi being P2) to realize that Citroen and the C3 can’t be entirely blamed for him not getting the tilte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barreis View Post
    Ogier couldn't do better with that car which had wrong developing driver - Kris Meeke who developed car for shunts not for titles
    Meeke has been widely regarded as a great development and test driver

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