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    Wasnt an Ostberg fan before those comments and certainly does little to change my opinion. Think I would wait until close of Sunday before making any wild claims.

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    Considering the pace of Citroen, I wonder might it change Ogier's decisions about next season?

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    It's just one rally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    I'm a big Meeke fan, but I also like Mads too. I think he gets a lot of stick for having money, which takes away a little credit when he does do well.
    However, I'm with wrc2017 on this one. It is well documented that Kris was pushing for changes with the setup of the car. Citroen only heeded when it was confirmed by other drivers (who they could of, should of used in initial car development as well).
    Citroen said it would take a year to implement the changes. Do you really believe Mads does a pet an calls for changes which suddenly now take a matter of weeks to sort?
    It’s also well documented that Meeke and Citroen staff were delighted with the car during the 9 months they spent testing it and complains only started after the first rally outing, which means the whole team was caught by surprise.

    With only a few engineers left from Xsara/C4 days and a leading driver with no experience on active diffs they clearly struggled to find a quick fix; inviting Mikkelsen to give an extra help or calling a former WRC engineer to replace the tech director were ways to speed up the process and it makes little sense relate them to Meeke remarks.

    Btw, Ostberg long experience with the Impreza and last year on the Fiesta can actually be usefull to Citroen; we shouldn’t forget he already managed to improve the C3 set up in Sweden.
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    If he was so good at setting a car up and testing why did Citroen let him go and keep Kris? Just looks to me that its a case of right place at the right time for the Norweigan which makes it a bit annoying to hear him claim its all down to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd View Post
    If he was so good at setting a car up and testing why did Citroen let him go and keep Kris?
    Smart question; probably only Matton can answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    It’s also well documented that Meeke and Citroen staff were delighted with the car during the 9 months they spent testing it and complains only started after the first rally outing, which means the whole team was caught by surprise.

    With only a few engineers left from Xsara/C4 days and a leading driver with no experience on active diffs they clearly struggled to find a quick fix; inviting Mikkelsen to give an extra help or calling a former WRC engineer to replace the tech director were ways to speed up the process and it makes little sense relate them to Meeke remarks.

    Btw, Ostberg long experience with the Impreza and last year on the Fiesta can actually be usefull to Citroen; we shouldn’t forget he already managed to improve the C3 set up in Sweden.
    Valid points. Citroens problem was however, relied heavily using the same sort of roads in France to develop the car. Even in a road car, you can hammer up and down familiar pieces of road and the car can feel fine. Take it on other road surfaces and that same car that felt fine elsewhere can feel a lot different, even with much greater tolerances engineered into the suspension and steering settings to allow for the variation in road surfaces a road car has to cope with.

    The reason why they went with Mads, he doesn't tend to bin it too often. Citroen started the year with a fixed budget, not an infinite one.
    Kris is a very quick driver, but drives 100% all the time. Fine if the car behaves, but if it's got fundamental problems it's better to drive at 95% and bring the car home, so money can be spent on development instead of repair costs.

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    So as Tanak checks out in Rally Finland, and Otsberg has the chance of a lifetime to win Rally Finland and go down as a legend... his stage end comments read..

    OSTBERG:"We are trying to increase the speed step by step, it feels quite good. We're not willing to do anything stupid, at these speeds you want to stay on the roads."

    The car is still as good as yesterday, but Ostberg doesn't have the IT factor.

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    He is still doing great, being the second fastest. Toyota was fast at his home event already last year, add Tänak to the equation and it`s just magnificent, but he is still in front of the other 2 Toyotas, winners/leader of last years event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    He is still doing great, being the second fastest. Toyota was fast at his home event already last year, add Tänak to the equation and it`s just magnificent, but he is still in front of the other 2 Toyotas, winners/leader of last years event.
    sure. but he hasn't that last 1%

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