Citroen WRT

**deephouse** · 21st November 2019, 06:24

Where is PH-Sport's privateer car now. I didn't see it anywhere. It was all over the internet that would be available with that hidious livery. I don't think anyone will be interested since Ogier wasn't really happy with it.

**AnttiL** · 21st November 2019, 06:25

Originally Posted by deephouse

Where is PH-Sport's privateer car now. I didn't see it anywhere. It was all over the internet that would be available with that hidious livery. I don't think anyone will be interested since Ogier wasn't really happy with it.

Possibly it didn't even exist and the livery was a photoshop. If someone had rented the car, it would have come from the factory.

The only way people will use them now is that they will be considerably cheaper than M-Sport's options.

**Norm75** · 21st November 2019, 10:25

Originally Posted by EstWRC

so who do you think would suddenly start to win races in 2020 beside or against the TOP3?

the situation would be same if Citroen had stayed

Who could win races other than Tanaka, Neuville, and Ogier, let's see who previous winners are, Sordo, Loeb, Evans, Mikkelsen, Meeke, Latvala Paddon . . . enough possibilities I think.

rp · 21st November 2019, 10:36

Originally Posted by Norm75

Who could win races other than Tanaka, Neuville, and Ogier, let's see who previous winners are, Sordo, Loeb, Evans, Mikkelsen, Meeke, Latvala Paddon . . . enough possibilities I think.

No way! It does not help if they have won some events earlier. Only the top 3 drivers Tänak, Neuville & Ogier are capable of winning all the time and fighting for the title. Hopefully some others also in the future, but not in 2020...

**TypeR** · 21st November 2019, 10:43

Originally Posted by Norm75

Who could win races other than Tanaka, Neuville, and Ogier, let's see who previous winners are, Sordo, Loeb, Evans, Mikkelsen, Meeke, Latvala Paddon . . . enough possibilities I think.

Yes, you read statistics.. But in reality, none of them is going to fight for wins thru out the 2020.
They may shine on some rallies, but otherwise no.. Evans only one to possibly win an event from that list. 2018 Loeb won Spain and Latvala Australia, other were between the top3. 2019 Sordo won Sardegna(thanks to Yaris) and other rallies were between top3.

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 21st November 2019, 14:58

People are blaming both Ogier and Citroen but neither would've left if Tanak hadn't gone to Hyundai.

Given their huge financial commitment to their WRC programme, Toyota HAD to sign Ogier in this situation whatever it took.

No-one was slagging Tanak for leaving Toyota and leaving them in the lurch with no top driver...

**Tarmop** · 21st November 2019, 16:09

Umh? Tänak`s contract ended, he was a free man. He isn`t connected and doesn`t have to rely on Citroen`s and Ogiers plans/ wishes. He filled his contract, that ends/ ended, moved forward, Toyota did the same. What the F are you on about now?

**racerx1979** · 21st November 2019, 20:31

This is true. Tanak was a free agent and Ogier broke his contact... Completely different. It's obvious Ogier was not happy with Citroen. That you can blame on Tanaks brilliant performance. If Ogier was in a Yaris and getting killed by Tanak in a Hyundai he would say the Toyota was no good. The Citroen did fail him at a key point in the season, but all other manus have had issues where the cars gave up. It's not 2016 where only one team has an elite car... Times have changed. Next year will be close and Citroen could have been with the Toyota and Hyundai, but we will never find out. Sucks for Citroen employees who have been in the rally from the old days... I know some of them and they don't give a rats ass about some WEC boredom. They will most likely quit to find privateer rally jobs...

Tanak was that good this year and by all means I'm not a Tanak fan. He basically convinced Ogier to leave. Remember this was the first time Ogier has lost in how many years?? I'm sure that's hard to take. He will lose again in 2020. Tanak just gained a new fan lol.

**Allez Andruet** · 22nd November 2019, 05:51

No-one has broken any contracts here. If the reports are true, there was a buy-out clause in Ogier's contract and TGR simply exercised it. Fair deal. And if anyone feels it was "too easy" for Ogier to walk out from Citroen, well... there's really only Citroen to blame for that.

And what comes to Tänak, why on Earth would anyone blame him for anything? Free agent is exactly that. Free. And we all know how this business works (probably not necessary to point out to case Citroen earlier this week...) and how cruel it can be. As the old saying goes, if you want loyalty, buy a dog.