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    Finish F-Cup

    Saw this on Motors TV, very cool series with over 300 cars. Website only in finish.

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    Here’s a F-CUP package.

    Here is some elder translation of the technical and series regulations.

    Ralli.net - Finnish F-Cup technical regulations & series rules - Ralli.net

    Google translated page of F-cup.fi

    Google Kääntäjä

    More to watch (hope the link still works outside Finland). HRT = historic.

    Jent Motorsport Video - Netti-TV

    TV-lähetykset voit katsoa paremmalla laadulla osoitteesta: = TV broadcasts to watch with higher quality at:


    Google translated tech regs.

    IX Special Provisions on the group F

    1. Definition
    Only groups of 1,2, or classified as a vehicle to be used. Group A classification may be used if the international original classification has been completed in 2007 or earlier. In addition, a group worthy car models are marked with rulebook rating list entry (f). Also, before year 2010, made national ratings are accepted.

    2. Classes and not less than
    Capacity max. 2 valves / 2 valves over /
    maximum swept
    1000 cm3 670 kg 720 kg
    1400 cm3 800 kg 840 kg
    1600 cm3 850 kg 920 kg
    2000 cm3 930 kg 1000 kg
    2200 cm3 970 kg 1030 kg
    2500 cm3 1030 kg 1080 kg
    3000 cm3 1110 kg 1150 kg

    3.Sallitut changes and additions

    A group of authorized amendments and additions in addition to are valid in this Code are permitted.
    When using the A-team kit packages that will be used for classification according to the rules, except to the extent the Group F of this part of the rules allow freer change, or limiting the use of the. Changes in motor rallies, which the Ministry of Transport and Communications has decided that there muutoskatsastettava on the road, will exhibit the certificate of registration.

    3.1. Engine

    3.1.1 The cylinder block must be original, the second Outwardly of the same kind may be used in the block, if the original block can be machined and / or prepared by a similar tubing. The cylinder block material must not be changed. Points of attachment may be added to cart.

    3.1.2 The initial volume of the cylinder is free to change the tubing, re-tubing, drilling and by reducing the stroke length. 3.1.3 The initial stroke must not be increased. Otherwise, the crank shaft is free. The connecting rods are free.

    3.1.4 The crankshaft bearings, type and number of kept, otherwise they will be free.

    3.1.5 The cylinder head is free to the following restrictions:
    A) Only 2 valves per cylinder shall be permitted, , except that in Group A in cars, which have been classified as multi-valve engine. Valve maksimilukumäära is up to four / or classified as a cylinder. Valve size and shape of the free.

    B) The multi-valve cylinder head may be substituted for the deck, having up to an equivalent number of valves / cylinder as in the original.

    C) cylinder head (-deck) is serially produced a vehicle.

    D) If used in a cylinder cover (classified), in which more than two valve / cylinder, or other
    cylinder cover, as that car is assigned a material increase in the cylinder head prohibited.

    E) If using a 2 valve / cylinder engine cover, addition of the substance is permitted only to the inlet or exhaust passages (and the valve seat of the channel Series connection zone between the level, the valve seat inclusive), the combustion chamber, and water channels situated in the cover nokkapukkeihin.

    F) Intake manifold mount level must be located under the cylinder head - the original - even if the channels seats in the plane can be changed in accordance with the above points. Intake manifold connecting the cylinder head and intake manifold gasket possible should be planar (non-outer junction, or the internal dimensions), or the cylinder head in accordance with the original. Levels of rectification has been authorized.

    G) Car model unclassified cylinder head when a competitor is able to demonstrate the car make and model from which the cylinder head comes from. Upon request, the competitor must be able to to prove the point F) according to the original the installation.

    H) The cylinder head gasket is free.

    3.1.6 Intake ahtaminen is prohibited, may bleed remove. Intake system is free.

    3.1.7 The accelerator pedal and the connection between the flow restrictor to be mechanical.

    3.1.8 The exhaust manifold is a free, exhaust system, vehicles will be equipment and supplies regulations and art with 252.3.6. The catalyst is not mandatory.

    3.1.9 The lubrication system is free. Oil Cooler Installing outside of the bodywork is allowed
    only in the horizontal level below that passes through the wheel hubs. The cooling unit must not extend a top view of the car beyond the outline. Oil cooler can not be installed in the cockpit.

    1.3.10 The camshaft (s) and the valve train will be free with the following restrictions.
    • Variable-ajoituksinen camshaft is permitted only if it is classified.
    • Muuttuvanostoiset rocker arms and lifters are permitted only if they are classified.
    • The valve springs and the type of operation must be maintained.
    • camshaft position the cover must not be affected area, or vice versa.

    1.3.11 Engine cooling: fan, water pump and Cooler will be free, but they can not be placed in the cockpit.

    1.3.12 The flywheel is free.
    The ignition system is free from 1.3.13

    3.2 Transmission
    All transmission of data collection systems are prohibited.

    3.2.1 The switch is free to the following limitations.
    • Classified as number plates must be maintained.
    • Switch operation should be directed only to the driver's feet, unless another type of system is not classified.
    • Automatic transmission switch should be luokiteltu.2012

    3.2.2 The gearbox is free to the following conditions:
    • The original location is stored (note the body changes are not allowed)
    • Only a mechanical gearbox, which the driver controls the mechanical means is permitted.
    • The gear chart will be a traditional H. Seqventiaalivaihteistot are prohibited.
    • classified transmissions gears maximum is six. Unclassified maximum number of transmissions of gears is five.
    • A functional reverse gear is mandatory.
    • The gear install / change a necessary change in body is permitted.

    3.2.3 Only one drive axle is allowed (front or rear axle). Four-wheel drive will change the two-wheel drive.

    3.2.4 The transmission shafts are free.

    3.2.5 Differential boxes as well as the differential are free. Differential is mandatory (100% lock
    or "spool" is prohibited).

    3.2.6 The rear bridge is free. Axle type must be maintained.

    3.2.7 All kinds of traction control systems are prohibited.

    3.3 Suspension

    3.3.1 The support arms are available with the following restrictions.
    • the type of suspension should remain (Independent or stiff shaft)
    • Only for that car for factory-support arms may be used.
    • Wheel may vary up to 30 mm, and location of a car wheel hubs in the longitudinal direction.
    Front hub and the axis of the humerus can be changed to another, which is derived from at least the same axis of serially produced having the mass of the car. If the car is further classified as lternative hubs, can not get them to use. The second car classified further classified as hubs do not be used.

    3.3.2 The suspension components are the attachment points free.

    3.3.3 Lisätuentoja be installed, only the necessary body modifications are permitted.

    3.3.4 Additional installation of the springs is permitted, if the main type and functioning of the spring (vehicle without any additional support, spring) stored in the original.

    3.3.5 Active suspension and run-time variable suspension is not allowed, otherwise the shock absorbers are free.

    3.3.6 in the free-roll, even though they are suspension elements.

    3.3.7 the steering gear ratio is free, but the steering gear housing is to be performed in vehicle design. Booster can be removed or added edellämainituin terms. The steering control part of the electronic power steering is be installed if the original steering column is maintained.

    3.3.8 classified abnormal four-wheel steering is prohibited.

    3.3.9 Wheels and tires must meet the Group A and the competition rules. However, the rim size
    free (note: diameter up to 18 "and the whole wheel dia max. 650 mm). The so-called muussirenkaiden flow using an electronic vote is prohibited. Using the hub between the wheel and levikepaloja, the these to be rigidly attached to the hub, rather than the original method of centering the rim may be subject to change. The majority levikepalan permissible thickness of 25.4 mm.
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    And the rest of tech regs.


    3.4 Bodywork

    3.4.1 The superstructure must be of steel. Only basic materials are classified as other body construction with allowed. 2 - and 4 - ovisten versions use is allowed. Easing and the changes that are not specifically permitted are prohibited. Body Strengthening is allowed, although confirming the substance else does not follow the original shape. However, this is allow the original body of material removal.

    3.4.2 the front doors covering is replaced by aluminum, about 1 mm, if the original is used as upholstery, or may be replace the group N Art 254.6.7.2.3.b) accordingly. All another layer of padding be removed or modified. Be removed from the glove compartment.

    3.4.3 Another type of instrument panel and electric switches for to make corresponding changes to the dashboard. Parts of the instrument panel below the instrument panel and the back of the strong-
    where the parts to be removed.

    3.4.4 Wheel hubs below the deflectors are free. Vakaajasiivekkeet be removed. Rear of the car may install one unclassified vakaajasiivekkeen the following conditions:
    • classify the rear vakaajasiivekkeet removed
    • at the top and front view of the unrated vakaajasiipi not exceed the vehicle contour
    • slat cutting a car in the longitudinal direction (from any time point) comes with mounting bracket to fit into Cmx20 20 cm square

    3.4.5 fender widening of hammering is allowed. Separate fender flares are permitted. Levikkeiden material is free. Vehicle overall width shall not be wider roads at any point 10 cm more than that. Of the original fender may be removed from under levikkeen. Changing the inner fender wheel to maximize space is allowed. Fender wheel should always be covered for at least 50 degrees and 30 degrees from the rear forward in the hub passing through a vertical plane.

    3.4.6 Buffers may not remove or change them, if they are integrated parts of the body, the buffer structure must be retained. If the buffer is removed, is removed from the cable connections. Safety buffer must be maintained. Buffer surface material must be replaced, but the appearance of a buffer
    must not be changed.

    3.4.7 The front grille (mask) the modification or replacement is allowed (not delete).

    3.4.8 Spare tire casing can be removed and the resulting hole should be covered with the lujuisella structure. In that the hole will also install a fuel tank of such that the aperture may increase the space required by the shell extent. The container can be immersed up to the spare wheel housing base to a level, and does not constitute a aerodynamic structures.

    3.4.9 Takakivipeltiin may be made to the opening for the exhaust pipe.

    3.4.10 Ceiling car is classified under the mounted vent cap assessed as such or, alternatively,not homologated up to 100mm high roof vent valve. Roofing permits to more than two, up to 85 cm2
    size of the aperture without conducting the cockpit. These holes may not penetrate the beam structure. Kattotuuletusventtiilissä-label all through the to go without, the direction of the cab. This
    the structure does not include contours of the car, and not a car's aerodynamics of the structure of healing.

    3.5 Brakes

    3.5.1 Unclassified anti-lock brakes are prohibited.

    3.5.2 Handbrake is mandatory.

    3.5.3 If not used in the original system are at least two-circuit braking system mandatory.

    3.5.4 Number of brake cylinders graded brakes not more than 6 and not more than unclassified brakes 4 Otherwise, the brakes are free.

    3.6 Other Equipment

    3.6.1 Wire and pipe arrangement, placement and materials may change (this applies to air, water, fuel, etc as well as liquid suspension system for pipes and electric cables). Fluid tubes are permitted to run through the cab, but in the cab, they must not have any joints. The hot liquid through a pipe management cockpit is not permitted unless implemented a series of production, in which case they will be effectively protected.

    3.6.2 Heating equipment modification or removal is permitted provided that the windshield and front glass defroster has been verified.

    3.6.3 The fuel tank can be changed to another container, Handbrake which is suitable for motorsport use (no need to be in the FIA classified) and filled turvavaahdolla. Above tank can be embedded in the spare wheel cover you want to point 3.4.8. accordingly. The container can also change the other car's fuel tank. This rule shall apply only to cars that are first registered before 01/01/1981. Fuel can be changed. It is However, be placed in the cockpit 3.6.4 The filling must be located outside of the car unless the used in the safety container. Turvallisuussäiliöllä means a container whose structure corresponds to the figures FT3 or 3 SFI28.1 structure.
    3.6.5 Electrical system:
    The charger has a free position.

    3.6.6 Poljinasetelmana
    may be used in classified or specifically for use within the meaning of competition, which is certified in brake systems manufacturing plant by. The pedals of operation must be maintained.

    3.7 Specific provisions

    3.7.1 aerodynamic car must not run the variable unless a classified system as a whole.

    3.7.2 Unclassified mechanical parts of the ceramic may be used.

    3.7.3 Unclassified titanium, carbon fiber or reinforced with aramid material and mechanical parts may not be used (does not apply to valves, valve guides. -Chucks and valve spring plates).
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    How many f cup cars are buildt in finland, and how many are in use?
    What is the price of a top f cup car?

    What is a normal Yearly budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland
    How many f cup cars are buildt in finland, and how many are in use?

    What is the price of a top f cup car?

    What is a normal Yearly budget?
    1) Hard to say... 3-400 different car aprox... Maybe more...
    2)Top M3 BMW 50000€, Toyota Corolla GT 40000€, Opel Astra 25000€... Depends very much about a car...
    3)It depends about car also. Full F-Cup is something between 10-20000€ in with top car... If you just cruising you might get cheaper... One succesfull driver just said in VM that engine in GT Corolla costs 8000€ and you can drive it about 1000km of ss... So it's possible to drive full series with one engine but you can't test at all...

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    I found from a ”Vauhdin Maailma” (11/2008) a statistic about rally cars in Finland. According to a statistic maintained by Ralf “Rafu” Pettersson there where 1228 rally cars in Finland 2008 of which 712 (58%) was F group cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donlorean
    3)It depends about car also. Full F-Cup is something between 10-20000€ in with top car... If you just cruising you might get cheaper... One succesfull driver just said in VM that engine in GT Corolla costs 8000€ and you can drive it about 1000km of ss... So it's possible to drive full series with one engine but you can't test at all...
    If you take a step down from the highly tuned cars then you get cheaper maintenance costs. For example an M3 already has around 300hp and you basically need to change oils and filters every now and then. Also the standard gearbox should last several seasons and a used one costs 300-500 euros to replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susiraja
    If you take a step down from the highly tuned cars then you get cheaper maintenance costs. For example an M3 already has around 300hp and you basically need to change oils and filters every now and then. Also the standard gearbox should last several seasons and a used one costs 300-500 euros to replace.
    That's true. At this moment if I have to choose a car to Fcup, I'll take BMW 325. It cost's 12-15000€ and bacically built with standard parts...

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