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    Quote Originally Posted by Nornbugger View Post
    Or he could swap seats with Mikkelsen and then people would think Ostberg was rather good and that Mikkelsen was cruising round spending his Dads money!
    I would like to see a bit more speed from Mikelssen too, but I don't think he's as slow as Ostberg. Remember his team mate is quite good.

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    People only reply because of the OTT criticism of Ostberg... but no-one said he was the best or fastest in the first place..

    Should he beat the factory drivers in the best cars ? No.

    But from the criticism you'd think he should...
    Last edited by Fast Eddie WRC; 26th April 2016 at 17:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    People only reply because of the OTT criticism of Ostberg... but no-one said he was the best or fastest in the first place..

    Should he beat the factory drivers in the best cars ? No.

    But from the criticism you'd think he should...
    Partly he brings it on himself because of his moaning/excuses.

    I preferred the way Mikko Hirvonen handled it. When he wasn't quick enough he admitted it and didn't blame anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    Partly he brings it on himself because of his moaning/excuses.

    I preferred the way Mikko Hirvonen handled it. When he wasn't quick enough he admitted it and didn't blame anyone else.
    One persons moaning/excuses is another persons reasons/circumstances.

    I dont mind people criticising when its fair to do so, but there seems to be some strange thing with Mads.

    They treat him like he is some kind of imposter when he actually finished 4th in the 2015 WDC - first driver behind the all-conquering VWs.

    He's basically a one-man team for M-Sport and needs to get them points, whatever it takes, as no-one else is going to. Going flat-out to complete with the factory teams means big-risks and a chance of going off and therefore no points. And if he does try that hard he is still like to come off worse due to the inferior car. Whether he comes say 4th, 5th or 6th by 1 min or 5 mins doesnt affect the points he gets for that position... so why take big risks ?

    He should finish 7th after the factory drivers but he is usually higher, so what is he doing so wrong ? He is currently 3rd in the Championship.

    Save your harsh criticism for the likes of Neuville or Latvala.
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    #M-SPORTER

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    Mr Consistent

    #M-SPORTER

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    Mads Østberg (Ford Fiesta RS)
    Result: 5th
    Fifth was a disappointing result for Mads who went to Argentina hoping for a third successive podium. Slower than fellow Fiesta RS pilot Tanak on the opening three stages, Mads denied there was anything wrong but, as the event wore on, his upbeat end of stage comments seemed increasingly out of step with his stage times. For a driver who claimed to be in a good rhythm and driving hard why wasn't he more competitive? It's a mystery. And one M-Sport has pledged to investigate before Portugal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Mr Consistent
    That table is useless since points systems changed over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
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    if you were a manager,who would you choose,Makinen,Gronholm or mr constistent?

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    Table with old point system (20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1) (1973-arg2016)

    1 SEBASTIEN LOEB 2214
    2 CARLOS SAINZ 1860
    3 JUHA KANKUNEN 1465
    4 MIKO HIRVONEN 1439
    5 PETER SOLBERG 1293
    6 MARCUS GRONHOLM 1279
    7 MARKKU ALEN 1104
    8 JARI MATI LATVALA 1095
    9 SEBASTIAN OGIER 1027
    10 DIDIER AURIOL 1025
    11 COLIN MCRAE 1024
    12 TOMMY MAKINEN 971
    13 DANI SORDO 893
    14 HANNU MIKKOLA 833
    15 RICHARD BURNS 805
    16 MASSIMO BIASION 768
    17 BJORN WALDEGARD 719
    18 STIG BLOMQVIST 694
    19 WALTER ROEHRL 588
    20 TIMO SALONEN 586
    21 KENNETH ERIKSSON 576
    22 ARI VATANEN 558
    23 MADS OSTBERG 519
    24 MARKKO MARTIN 487
    25 FRANCOIS DELECOUR 482

    ANDREAS MIKKELSEN 345
    HAYDEN PADDON 142
    THIERRY NEUVILLE 337
    KRIS MEEKE 174
    Last edited by ik1911; 27th April 2016 at 19:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ik1911 View Post
    Table with old point system (20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1) (1973-arg2016)

    1 SEBASTIEN LOEB 2214
    2 CARLOS SAINZ 1860
    3 JUHA KANKUNEN 1465
    4 MIKO HIRVONEN 1439
    5 PETER SOLBERG 1293
    6 MARCUS GRONHOLM 1279
    7 MARKKU ALEN 1104
    8 JARI MATI LATVALA 1095
    9 SEBASTIAN OGIER 1027
    10 DIDIER AURIOL 1025
    11 COLIN MCRAE 1024
    12 TOMMY MAKINEN 971
    13 DANI SORDO 893
    14 HANNU MIKKOLA 833
    15 RICHARD BURNS 805
    16 MASSIMO BIASION 768
    17 BJORN WALDEGARD 719
    18 STIG BLOMQVIST 694
    19 WALTER ROEHRL 588
    20 TIMO SALONEN 586
    21 KENNETH ERIKSSON 576
    22 ARI VATANEN 558
    23 MADS OSTBERG 519
    24 MARKKO MARTIN 487
    25 FRANCOIS DELECOUR 482

    ANDREAS MIKKELSEN 345
    HAYDEN PADDON 142
    THIERRY NEUVILLE 337
    KRIS MEEKE 174
    Surely divide by # of rallies, an average points per rally would be logical, this is pointless

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