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    Quote Originally Posted by Essaj View Post
    Fiesta R5 is really outdated so I doubt they are making too many sales on them before they get a proper update (is there actually any coming?) to fight with Skoda, VW and even C3. New manu could also get a R5 from the basis of Fiesta.
    Old customers are still supported for a long time

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    guys the most money are from servicing,not from car new sales.

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    It always is, but to service something, you have to have a good product to sell in the first place.

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    If Ford pull the plug again after the end of the season (likely) and M-Sport only have a choice of non-winning pay driver's, those driving for free & loanees, I can really see M.Wilson having every reason to pull out of the WRC.

    If Ogier should win the 2018 WDC then going out (on a high) would probably be even more likely.

    The achievements of 2017 ('18?) could never be repeated anyway and certainly not without proper Manu and sponsorship backing.

    I'm really starting to fear the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I can really see M.Wilson having every reason to pull out of the WRC.
    why ? he doesn't like money ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    why ? he doesn't like money ?
    How can he make money by staying in the WRC and developing a car that no one else is buying or (except one or two customers) having serviced?
    Iím guessing the potential prize money and sponsorship money doesnít cover costs of participation?
    If the answer is that it promotes the other models they build and sell, then fair enough, but does the WRC car really help to sell the other formulas they sell, it do those cars sell based upon their own success?
    I honestly canít see why m-Sport would stay at this point.... no top driver, no manufacturer support, no main sponsor = lose money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    How can he make money by staying in the WRC and developing a car that no one else is buying or (except one or two customers) having serviced?
    The same way he was before the new regulations and Ogier came along? The WRC program was the glossy front of the rally side of the company, where the real earning was done by the sale and support of the R5, R2 and R1 Fiestas.

    With an increased focus on WRC2 next year the demand for Fiesta R5's will surely still be high and M-Sport still seem to be selling the latest spec Fiesta R5 in decent numbers (it is surely the most numerous R5 car now?).
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    "We're so good, we can get on overall WRC podiums. Everything we learn there filters down into all other rally projects. Now, please sign on the dotted line for a new R5 so you can compete in a local Austrian rally."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbtstt View Post
    The same way he was before the new regulations and Ogier came along? The WRC program was the glossy front of the rally side of the company, where the real earning was done by the sale and support of the R5, R2 and R1 Fiestas.

    With an increased focus on WRC2 next year the demand for Fiesta R5's will surely still be high and M-Sport still seem to be selling the latest spec Fiesta R5 in decent numbers (it is surely the most numerous R5 car now?).
    Sorry but if you look at the main R5 championships and especially in Europe, they are now dominated by the Skoda Fabia R5. The Fiesta may be numerous in total but the sales in the last couple of years have been low compared to the (newer) Skoda.

    There are also other newer R5's out now like the C3 R5 and Polo R5 and these will also hit Fiesta sales. The Mk8 Fiesta R5 isnt due til July 2019.

    M.Wilson spent a lot of his own money funding Ogier and I can see why he doesnt want to now run at loss in WRC with no glory to compensate. The 2017-spec cars cost a lot to run and against three full Manu teams it will need constant development.
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