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    Two MSport drivers led the rally and won stages in Greece.

    None of them is going to NZ. Instead they have a driver that crashed every second rally this year and is currently 18th in WRC with 9 points, behind 4 Rally2 cars that started half as many rallies.

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    thats because Loubet and Loeb choose where they participate, typical that they dont do oversea rallies
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    If Tänak wants to switch teams, his salary is last thing that should stop him.
    Underdeveloped car will be bigger issue.

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    By how hyundai put team order it's more than obvious that he have a new contract with team, mostly it should be m-sport by the main news what milner was putted on breen telling them show the result is signal that they ready to fire him.

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    Breen has a 2-year contract and they couldnt afford to pay him off and also pay to hire someone else.

    Re Tanak, he has to say he's not happy with the team orders, but I'm sure he understands the teams reasons. Plus Neuville's morale also had to be considered after going so long without a win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    thats because Loubet and Loeb choose where they participate, typical that they dont do oversea rallies
    Yes. You could say about every rally "Loeb would be better in here" but he won't do more than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Breen has a 2-year contract and they couldnt afford to pay him off and also pay to hire someone else.

    Re Tanak, he has to say he's not happy with the team orders, but I'm sure he understands the teams reasons. Plus Neuville's morale also had to be considered after going so long without a win...
    I would expect every driver, just like every professional team sportsperson, has a clause in their contract whereby it can be reviewed or terminated in the event of severe underperformance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    thats because Loubet and Loeb choose where they participate, typical that they dont do oversea rallies
    In the end yes, but you are skipping a few levels here:

    1. Breen, Greensmith and Fourmaux are MSport "official drivers" announced for full season already before the start. So they go "automatically", unless MSport chooses not to send them.

    2. Loubet is said to be paying for everything (with FFSA) and does not have funding for full season. Overseas is likely more expensive than Europe. I am pretty sure he would not refuse to go to NZ if offered a free opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    In the end yes, but you are skipping a few levels here:

    1. Breen, Greensmith and Fourmaux are MSport "official drivers" announced for full season already before the start. So they go "automatically", unless MSport chooses not to send them.

    2. Loubet is said to be paying for everything (with FFSA) and does not have funding for full season. Overseas is likely more expensive than Europe. I am pretty sure he would not refuse to go to NZ if offered a free opportunity.
    if i where teamboss at M-Sport i would leave Formaux and Breen at home and send just Loubet and Greensmith to NewZealand
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    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loeb-...s-this-season/

    Loeb said it before that the Puma suits his driving style. Hyundai didn't. C3 did on tarmac in 2018, before the big changes.

    Could it be the opposite case with Breen? Breen was struggling with C3, especially when it was best on tarmac 2017-2018 (note for example 3 spins and bad times in Spain 2018 while Loeb won the race). Did comparably better with i20 and now it's back to struggling. Crashing is one thing, but the times are worse than in i20 especially compared with Loeb.

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