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23rd November 2011, 13:39 #31
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Originally Posted by sollitt
It's true that they all were in extremely dangerous places. Mostly they were totally unexperienced spectators who were on their first event (except one in the second case who was just crazy fan). This is what the discussion is about. I agree with You that the rules for spectators should not be extremely strict (I always go somewhere out of crowded areas too) but You need to keep some actions for common crowds of people. They don't have experience, often don't see even basic physic laws and moreover they are largely drunk. But as I said before the areas for them must be made that way to be worth visiting. If they shall go to a place fifty meters from The road behind trees, they will run to all directions and that is a problem because these are the most dangerous groups of spectators.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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17th December 2011, 15:34 #32
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Originally Posted by MrJanOriginally Posted by BDunnell
The entrants pay to entertain spectator parasites, why not marshal instead of spectate or would that require a bit of effort / commitment?
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17th December 2011, 15:35 #33
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Originally Posted by sollitt
What about their feelings?
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20th December 2011, 13:00 #34Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Commitment is the main reason why I don't marshall, there aren't that many events that fit in with other things that I'm doing (either work, football or sprinting), certainly not those within a distance that I'm willing to drive and spend fuel money on. Last year I did the Wyedean, half a day at the Somerset Stages and one event on Epynt. Epynt is out of the question to marshall because I'd have to wake up before I went to bed to get there, on the times that I go to spectate we usually miss the first couple of stages anyway.
And the notion of entrants paying to entertain is just ridiculous, the drivers pay for their own enjoyment. If I said that did sprints for the good of other people then I'd be lying, I do it because I enjoy it.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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20th December 2011, 13:48 #35
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No they do not, you are in La La land if you think rally crews get enough sponsorship to cover the event, even a Nat B forest event will cost over 1k to do. AFAIK most VK hats are given free to marshals, but you'd not know that because your're too bone idle.
So basically lazy then? But you're quite happy for others to marshal bends so you can watch?
Speccies = freeloaders who bring nothing but hassle, they should pay for the privilege or naff off.
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22nd December 2011, 18:20 #36Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
Not quite sure how not being able to afford time/petrol/hotels equates to laziness though, you'll have to explain that one to me step by step.
Incidentally next time you're out marshalling try asking your fellow marshalls whether they spectated before they got into marshalling.
Edit: Oh and please quote me where I said that sponsors 'cover' the costs of an event. It may be through garage space, advice, parts, discounts etc. but every little helps, doesn't it.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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23rd December 2011, 11:20 #37
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He's right though in the sense that more and more organisers are adopting the Bernie Ecclestone school of thought: better to have 1000 people paying 20 quid, than 10000 people paying 2 quid, or 100000 people paying nothing. This is a very dangerous development for the long term health of the sport.
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3rd February 2012, 17:29 #38
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Originally Posted by MrJan
bone idle like I said, if it was a money issue you'd have said so first, you didn't so don't try and move the goalposts now.
Tele pays at the top level not bobble haters clogging up the surrounding roads etc and generally making a nuisance of themselves dropping litter and the like.
Speccies could all naff off and it would do nothing but help the sport of rallying.
Don't go to the Wyedean stay at home.
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3rd February 2012, 18:39 #39Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
there aren't that many events that fit in with other things that I'm doing (either work, football or sprinting), certainly not those within a distance that I'm willing to drive and spend fuel money on
It's funny really, in the sprinting/hillclimb world all the drivers are happy for people to come and watch, spending time to talk to the public throughout the day and answer any questions, usually with a view to encouraging them into the sport. Rallying seems completely different, most of the drivers hate spectators and would rather insult them than offer advice.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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4th February 2012, 01:52 #40
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No you did not, first is the first thing you stated not the last thing! My 8 year old wouldn't make sure a glaring error.
They need the tele or why should the teams spend what they do just to get coverage, the lack of a promoter is one thing, lack of tele is an all together different kettle of fish. Look at F1 it is tele that has raised the budgets pre Bernie teams could win races out of lumber yards.
I don't mind speccies when competing as once in a blue moon they may help you back on the track. And 99% of rally folk are nothing but friendly to speccies as long as they don't get in the way. Would you be so keen to chew the fat with one if they had leant on your car and damaged it, same as if they made us late into a control by cluttering up the countryside. It's when organising I wish they'd all naff off. They bring very little to the sport yet require massive amounts of work to deal with them.
For me it sound reasonable to remove Hybrid from the car in terms of cost saving. If I am not mistaken, one unit is ca 15% of the total car cost. And in most of the rallies, more than one unit is...
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