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    And... yes! The first overall win for the new Hyundai is a fact! Congratulations to Andrea Crugnola!
    https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...a-giulia-2021/
    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    And... yes! The first overall win for the new Hyundai is a fact! Congratulations to Andrea Crugnola!
    https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...a-giulia-2021/
    After more than 10 years I was again as a spectator on this beautiful event; and yes, new i20 Rally 2 had a perfect start in Italy. Rossetti was powerless against Crungola...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    That sounds a bit extensive.

    Since mild-hybrid should come in 2023 the car then needs to be ready for that. So far they talked about 10 hp hybrid using 48V battery so it's obviously much easier than in Rally1, but still weight distribution, engine mapping optimalization and maybe gearbox will have to be ready.
    Does it though? Just because they can homologate such a car from 2023 it doesn’t mean they have to run one I guess.

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    Basically the 10 hp/48v battery is the only thing I ever heard about the rally2 hybrids, so no idea what's going to happen.

    Guess "everyone" would be very angry if they suddenly forbade old R5/Rally2 since there are thousand(s) of them running ( unlike some less than 100 WRCs when those were kicked).

    So the hybrid can't be slower than the old cars (unless they for example reduce restrictor of the old ones).
    How much would a 10hp engine and "tiny" (just to help when shifting, or to replace ALS) battery weight? Maybe 40 kg?
    Is there enough "dead" weight in Rally2s that could be exchanged for this? ( maybe if ALS is removed ?)

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    As far as I understand the system will be able to be put in every R5/Rally 2 and will be mandatory from 2023. The first cars (Fiesta, 208 and DS3) will be out of homologation by then

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    No. You can't retrofit that to already produced cars. They were not designed for that.

    mknight is correct - the hybrids must be faster than the normal R5/Rally2 cars otherwise it can not work (uneless they go completely crazy and ban the normal R5/Rally2 which IMHO is not an option).
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Thank you!

    I thought that the system was to everyone. It's really strange, however I guess Ford, Hyundai and Skoda are already developing their cars with the system in mind. Citroen is said to be making a new car for 2023

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga View Post
    I thought that the system was to everyone.
    You can not design a car for incorporating something which doesn't exist even on paper at the time. The rules for hybrids didn't exist when Fiesta and all older cars were developped. New i20 N or Fabia IV are probably designed so that they can be modified into hybrid but hundreds of cars in use were not.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Last edited by Jarek Z; 22nd August 2021 at 20:33.
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    Why does it take organizers so long to update point standing after Rallys?
    are there times for protests and so on that prevent them to update?

    Anyway, they could call them provisional or unofficial until all is ok with the formalities.

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