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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny0405 View Post
    I think what really costs a lot to VW was the PR side: the VW was waited as a dominant car with Skoda experience + their WRC experience but it had some reliability issue at the beginning (logical seeing what happened to Hyundai and Citroen) and facing a car at the best of his development such as Skoda is not simple.
    And the back-to-back fires for Camilli and a Portuguese driver (Meireles?) has costed a lot also I think because it didn’t given much confidence to the potential drivers.
    As far as I remember there was a lot of problems with Polo R5 at the beginning:
    - power steering issues
    - suspension issues (rear axle falling apart)
    - fires

    Some sources:
    https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...)-News/page564
    https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1214026

    But now it seems one of the best cars in its class.
    Last edited by Jarek Z; 5th October 2021 at 20:22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny0405 View Post
    And the back-to-back fires for Camilli and a Portuguese driver (Meireles?) has costed a lot
    I remember D. Marban during Rally Islas Canarias:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRilpEsrcqM
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    https://www.rallit.fi/teemu-suninen-...ten-ylitoihin/

    Suninen's comments about the Hyundai: "The car understeers in the middle of the corner, especially in slow corners."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    https://www.rallit.fi/teemu-suninen-...ten-ylitoihin/

    Suninen's comments about the Hyundai: "The car understeers in the middle of the corner, especially in slow corners."
    Points to a fundamental flaw i the suspension design. Is this the Rally2 or the R5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackie View Post
    Points to a fundamental flaw i the suspension design. Is this the Rally2 or the R5?
    The new car. More from the same interview:

    "Maybe this is so far the most difficult to drive (out of Fiesta, Polo and i20 N Rally2). Balance is lacking quite a lot in different types of corners. The car is also sensitive to conditions. In same places it's too understeering and some places too oversteering. The overall balance is good, but sensitive to changes."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    The new car. More from the same interview:

    "Maybe this is so far the most difficult to drive (out of Fiesta, Polo and i20 N Rally2). Balance is lacking quite a lot in different types of corners. The car is also sensitive to conditions. In same places it's too understeering and some places too oversteering. The overall balance is good, but sensitive to changes."
    Then it might be like this with the Rally1-car as well, to some extent. If so we might have some crashes coming from Solberg and Tänak...
    Last edited by Mackie; 19th October 2021 at 13:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackie View Post
    Then it might be like this with the Rally1-car as well, to some extent. If so we might have some crashes coming from Solberg and Tänak...
    But even though the cars will look the same on the outside, they have a different basis. Rally2 is based on production car, but Rally1 is a tubular chassis.

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    IMHO neutral behavior is impossible to achieve without the center differential. In my purely theoretical understanding going from understeering to oversteering is somewhat typical for powerfull 4WD cars with no center diff. The description (just like other things) leads me more to a conclusion that the car was simply released for competition way too early before the suspension, transmission and geometry was optimized.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    IMHO neutral behavior is impossible to achieve without the center differential. In my purely theoretical understanding going from understeering to oversteering is somewhat typical for powerfull 4WD cars with no center diff. The description (just like other things) leads me more to a conclusion that the car was simply released for competition way too early before the suspension, transmission and geometry was optimized.
    Yes, and that makes the Rally1 more fun to watch then what WRC is now (on tarmac at least). A bit less advanced and elegant though.

    But, what I meant was if a car starts to understeer in the middle of the corner, with loaded up suspension, something is very wrong. Seems like suspension and drivetrain are working against each other.

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