Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[polo10]

What is going to happen to Group N cars. Will it completly dissapear?

Evo 10 is the last one. And we don t know if subaru comes with a new one?

I really find it a pity that there is no other option then R5 car if you don t wanna pay 200.000 plus euro s for a car. Group N is going die i think.

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

I heard about prices 150-160 Euro/km for Fiesta R5 from Czech teams. Anyway it's up to manufacturers if they are interested in 4WD production cars or not. Sadly they don't seem to be so.

That is true, with all included,only insurance not....much cheaper than s2000...

[Mirek]

We are on the start and there is very high demand now. I guess it will go down with time and more cars on the market. Top S2000 on their peak were much more expensive to rent.

[kober]

Top S2000 on their peak were much more expensive to rent.

How much more? Just being curious.

[Mirek]

I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...

[Jerra]

I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...

You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/km

[Sulland]

The prices asked for renting an R5 is about 200 euro for a stage KM. Most rally s are about 200km or more. That s 40.000 euro for a rally. How on earth can you start rallying with a 4wd.

40 000 will buy you a decent Gr N4 car!
In many national championships N4 will still be the volume car, until the price for an S2000, RRC and R5 cars will drop!

[Mirek]

40 000 will buy you a decent Gr N4 car!
In many national championships N4 will still be the volume car, until the price for an S2000, RRC and R5 cars will drop!

I'm afraid that in a gr.N car for 40 thousand everything must be completely worn and ready for major revision/rebuild. I would say 60 thousand is more realistic for a really good gr.N car but don't forget we are not in 2010 anymore. You can buy a modern S2000 for 100000 thousand now. Gr.N cars will stay largely popular for several more years but it looks like they are going to disappear sooner or later. There is hardly any new car coming after Evo X and current Impreza STi. Homologation of Evo IX ends next year, of N12 in 2015. Both may be prolonged though.

You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/km

250 for Fabia? I think with BRR it could have been like that but with other teams like JM Racing etc. sure less. Now I guess it must be around 120-150 for S2000 but that's just my guessing. As far as I know the running costs for 207 and Fabia is cca same and that is 2-3x lower than for Mini or Fiesta RRC.

[Jerra]

250 for Fabia? I think with BRR it could have been like that but with other teams like JM Racing etc. sure less. Now I guess it must be around 120-150 for S2000 but that's just my guessing. As far as I know the running costs for 207 and Fabia is cca same and that is 2-3x lower than for Mini or Fiesta RRC.

Yes, it was few years back, not so many top Skoda's was available for rent, now its different, you can find 207 or Skoda with discount price, especially in Italy. Not to mention Fiat ...

[Ucci]

I'm not sure if I remember well but something in my head tells me it was around 250 Euro/km for really good car around 2010...

You are correct, the cheapest was 207, under 200, Skoda around 250 and Mini was the most expensive, near 300 eur/km

Those prices were sick....S2000 needs a major rebuild after 1.000 competitive km, that means that one team earned after five rallys enough money to buy another new car....and don't tell me that a rebuild itself costs 250t€...but as mirek & Jerra told; if there was a demand and no cars available, few lucky owners put a price in the 'sky'' and even got money....

[makinen_fan]

Brynildsen's ex car is in Cyprus now, for Cyprus Rally taking place in 10 days.

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Just in passing I am mentioning it here since there is no live MERC thread or sub-forum (i think it used to be one) that the stages for Cyprus Rally will be revised with such a short notice since organisers did not have permission to use some of the roads in the route.