Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[A FONDO]

No no, Snijers and Pech are competitive and have achieved something in their careers (unlike Tlustak and Al-Kuwari)... If you watch the results of Pech in his Evo IX and compare it with what he is doing now... Also Snijers did better with S2000 than with the Mini now...

Maybe 'coz they are hobby drivers and they dont know how to set and drive these cars and theres nobody in their teams to help them. Anyway, 1,6t is only 1 year old, s2000 has been developed for about 10, even if we agree they are quite equal at the moment, after 2-3 years there will be a stunning difference.

[A FONDO]

You are weird.

[Brother John]

Love what you write here about Patrick Snijers in your post , tommeke_B.

Yes someone here must surely learn his lesson before he call someone a "hobby-driver who doesn't know what he's doing" instead of always to write nonsensical short post here.

Even at the age of 54 Snijers is not a hobby driver at all. He made his living with rally for many many years (and except for rallying he's still doing nothing else). He has two engineers, Fabio Lazzerini from R-Tec (this is a true suspension-specialist), and a prodrive-engineer. They have prodrive-support and their data is used for the development of the car. Patrick did several tests before the events, testing springs and dampers. With 38 years of experience on a high level I think his data has some value... He was helping Prodrive to develop their BMW M3 some 25 years ago by the way. He has been driving almost everything there is to drive (from Kadett GT/E to S2000's and Mini WRC). Yes, he's an old guy already, and maybe he lost the last little bit what it takes to win on a high level. But he has been driving for so many years, and never stopped driving, he's really living for his sport and wants to be as fast as possible and he's only happy with a good result... To give you a small idea about how fast he still is. In 2009 he drove a rally with a Citroën C2 Max, just as Loix... Both were driving an equal car from the same team. The only difference was that Loix had a 3 hour test the day before (Snijers not). After the first loop of 3 stages Loix was 2s faster than Snijers. After the second loop, so after 6 stages, they were equal, within the same tenth of a second. Then the event was stopped because of a fatal accident...

So please learn your lesson before you call someone a "hobby-driver who doesn't know what he's doing."

[A FONDO]

Hobby driver is the one that doesnt drive for at least semi-factory preparator team. He may have spent all his life in his family garage with EX-employees and showed good results in local events but he can never understand, set and drive this car at full performance, like Sordo with Drive-pro or Basso in Mille with 3 M-sport engineers.

[OldF]

Provisional group5 regulations has been published 20.7.2012.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...5.06.2012).pdf

I started to wonder if the rear suspension is going to be original (front and rear axle suspension). I couldn’t find any mention of modification of the rear ala S2000 & WRC. If the car has a torsion beam rear suspension, is there room for the prop shaft? Some modification must probably also be made to the body shell to make room for the rear diff.

Summary of homologations allowed as VR5 homologations:

Min weight 1200 kg

Engine:
Engine & gearbox mountings
Turbocharger
Turbo speed sensor
The maximum boost pressure will be 2,5 bar * *subject to additional tests
Supercharging air exchanger: Original or homologated in VR5
Maximum ratio: 10,5:1
Pistons
Connecting rods
Crankshaft
Engine flywheel
Cylinder head
ECU
Data recording system
The cam lift must be homologated in VR5, max 11 mm
Tappets / Rocker arms
Intake manifold
Intake valves
The throttle unit
Exhaust valves
Exhaust manifold
Exhaust system: The cut out in the rear bumper must be homologated in VR5.
Balancing shafts
Maximum engine revs being limited to 7500 rpm
The water pump
The radiator
The oil sump
The oil pump

FUEL CIRCUIT:
The fuel tank
The location of the fuel tank

ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT:
The battery must be situated behind the driver or codriver seats (the new location of the battery must be homologated in VR5)
The alternator / starter
The starter motor is free and his position must be homologated in VR5
Diurnal lights (daytime lights) may be replaced with the substitute part homologated in VR5

TRANSMISSION:
Clutch mechanism
Clutch control
The gearbox
The gearbox control (sequential linkage)
Gearbox lubrication device and oil cooling system
Final drive
Mechanical type limited slip differential
Transverse and longitudinal transmission shafts

FRONT AND REAR AXLES-SUSPENSIONS:
All the suspension parts
a) Linkages
b) Reinforcement bars may be fitted on the suspension mounting points to the bodyshell or
chassis of the same axle, on each side of the car’s longitudinal axis
b) The reinforcement of anchorage points with additional material is authorised
Upper suspension points
The anti-roll bars, together with their anchorage points
Only shock absorbers and McPherson strut assembly homologated in the VR5 Variant may be used.

RUNNING GEAR:
Only the brake discs, callipers, handbrake and pedals homologated in the VR5 variant may be used
Master cylinders
If the anti-lock braking system (ABS) is disconnected or removed, the use of one or more
mechanical rear braking distributor(s) homologated by the manufacturer in the VR5 Variant is authorised.
Steering mechanism (housing and rack
Steering rods
Steering column

BODYWORK – BODYSHELL:
Additional openings on the engine bonnet must be homologated
The maximum width of the VR5 car is 1820 mm.
Seats:
- The harness fixings must be those homologated in VO/VR5 by the FIA
- Seat support and anchorages
The dashboard hump(s) may be modified but the modification must be homologated in VR5
The air conditioning compressor may be removed. The modification must be homologated in
VR5.
The safety foam and door panels homologated in VR5 must be used.
Sunroof / Roof hatch: original or homologated in VR5.
Windscreen: only series windscreens and windscreens homologated in VO/VR5 may be used

[Mirek]

In my opinion there will be similar suspension layout like in the S2000 with 4x McPherson no matter what is on stock car.

[Sulland]

To the tech specialists here: Does the R5 regs look ok, or are there things you would like changed - and if so why?

[Mirek]

I don't feel like an specialist but I would hardly call it regulations. It's more a draft which doesn't say much.

[OldF]

And only five months to the beginning of 2013.

[dimviii]

imho it seems to be very expensive.