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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek
    Running cost of Mini RRC is at least double compared to Peugeot or Fabia S2000!
    Are you sure? Double is 100% more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B
    The figures are correct... Running cost of RRC is (of course) same as WRC car... From the numbers I heard the running cost of RRC is more than 2x as much as a TOP-S2000 car. Very sad when knowing that on most of the events the RRC will be slower...
    Judging on Basso's results your statement is totaly wrong.....

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    In a Micky Mouse type terrain and course, with a lot of stops and starts, the turbo with its torque will help the RRCs. But in a more flowing type of course, the S2000 have been quicker so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ucci
    Judging on Basso's results your statement is totaly wrong.....
    You know how it's called to take two samples of dozens and make a statement based on those two?
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B
    The figures are correct... Running cost of RRC is (of course) same as WRC car... From the numbers I heard the running cost of RRC is more than 2x as much as a TOP-S2000 car
    Sometimes what we heard it isn't necessarily true...
    From public released data (like the MSport site) an RRC car price is 25% higher than a full options S2000 car.
    Maintenance and parts costs are very similar on components like transmission, suspension, brakes, steering and bodyshell. Only engine rebuild costs are considerable higher on RRC versions, because of the different engine specs (T+Di).
    Even so, there's no way that the running budget of an RRC could be over 100% more than an S2000. It's probably under 50% more.
    Check it out:
    S2000 Sales Document
    RRC Sales Document

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    The expensive problem in rally is not the part prices, but the manu's will to earnmaximum amount of money. It's only the manu's that can build and construkt a car, and they know the x-button on the calculator....
    when you have to buy a car, and all the parts from 1 guy, and he is gready like h..l, there we have the biggest problem in sport. It should been posible to smaller teams to build a car with homologated parts ( 2-3 different options on front/rearaxle, gearbox, centetdiff, dampers and so on), in whatever chassis. Then more involvment from different manu's will follow, when you don't need 200 million euro's to start a campaign.
    Of course the testing and development costs, but this should be the recipe for a cheaper pwrc/swrcish/national class. R4t/R5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arganil
    Sometimes what we heard it isn't necessarily true...
    From public released data (like the MSport site) an RRC car price is 25% higher than a full options S2000 car.
    Maintenance and parts costs are very similar on components like transmission, suspension, brakes, steering and bodyshell. Only engine rebuild costs are considerable higher on RRC versions, because of the different engine specs (T+Di).
    Even so, there's no way that the running budget of an RRC could be over 100% more than an S2000. It's probably under 50% more.
    Check it out:
    S2000 Sales Document
    RRC Sales Document
    That's theory. Ask teams running those cars how much is their average cost per kilometer.
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    Snijers
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    maybe you would also like to add Tlustak and Al- Kuwari

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    Is there any news of an R4 version of the Megane RS N4 from Renault Sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prpr
    Is there any news of an R4 version of the Megane RS N4 from Renault Sport?
    Currently R4 rules allow only 4WD cars.

    R4T what is discussed in this thread is now newly called R5 and is entirely different class.
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