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12th October 2011, 08:33 #11
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Originally Posted by MarkRiccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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19th October 2011, 21:47 #12
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Honda's pullout from F1 after 1992 was one of the worst decisions in all of history of motorsport. I am sure they really regretted this later on, but with McLaren now in a tight relationship with Mercedes, Honda ended up buying BAR and spending hundreds of millions of dollars on running its own team with no meaningful results. Brawn's (former Honda team) double championship win in 2009, right after Honda's second F1 pullout was another bitter pill for them to swallow. Honda's execs probably cringe right now at any mentions of Formula 1.
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20th October 2011, 09:22 #13
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Quite so. Both times the teams they abandoned went on to have success with Mercedes. Brawn especially was reportedly 100% funded by Honda but they got zero credit for the achievements.
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20th October 2011, 11:00 #14
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Originally Posted by zako85
The money and engineering resources freed up in the '60's went into developing a new globally marketed hatchback called the 'Civic' that turned Honda into a global player, not a niche motorbike/sportscar maker that was then of a similar size to Suzuki.
In the '90's the money went into rapidly expanding Honda's American presence which meant that the company went overtook Nissan and became the second biggest Japanese car maker and often the most profitable.
I don't know about the most recent pullout though, Honda posted $10 billion profits for the last year so a few $100 million saved here and there won't have been as important as it was in the '60s and '90s. They certainly lost out on huge publicity that they would have gained if the 2009 championship was won by a Honda, not a Brawn.
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20th October 2011, 23:45 #15
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21st October 2011, 01:30 #16
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Originally Posted by Don Capps
The major Japanese makers have instead focused their attention on green tech, believing that is where future profits are to be made and F1 has limited relevance to this objective.
Originally Posted by Don Capps
While maintaining and expanding market share in the US is important to Honda, their current objective is to expand market share in the BRIC states. Just as expansion in the US in the '90s was accompanied by the building of new factories across the US, we can see new Honda factories spring up across China and India (where Honda recently split from its Indian partner Hero to build up its brand there) with third-world specific car models being developed.
F1 was used for two purposes by Honda. One was advertising in old markets like Europe and new markets in the BRIC states where F1 was a good tool. The other was for training and identifying upcoming engineering talent from within its ranks.
I guess the concern that liquidity couldn't be maintained throughout the credit crisis was the foremost concern when Honda and the other makers pulled out, few could have predicted a return to profitability for the best run makers so quickly back in those dark days.
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21st October 2011, 14:23 #17
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Interesting point about Honda focussing on green technology. Born out by the colour scheme adopted for the Honda cars shortly before they withdrew.
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21st October 2011, 15:16 #18
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Manufacturers come as go as they please. Renault went out while they were at their peak. Honda left at the right time compared to 2008/09
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They don't have huge capacity pushrod V8 in their line up but relied on Chevy in that department.
In the Nationwide series they have gone to using pony car body shells yet Toyota has no coupe in their line up and stuck with the Camry.
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With new emission regs it will be interesting how the Type R brand evolves as turbos rule the roost.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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21st October 2011, 16:28 #19
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21st October 2011, 18:00 #20
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Originally Posted by Malbec
When we use up all the oil (which is reality as stocks are finite) we'll have to produce electricity from nuclear, hydro or new technologies like wind, wave and solar. Then we'll have to find a way of using electricity in a power station to power a car: batteries, produce hydrogen by electrolysis, synthesise CO2 and water to make some sort of petrol. or use alcohol - but you need spsce to grow the sugar cane or sugar beet and energy to concentrate it by distillation or whatever.
But this is wandering a long way away from McLaren's dip in performance. But they have bounced back into contention, which Lotus, Brabham etc didn't and Williams don't seem to be able to doDuncan Rollo
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