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17th June 2011, 22:42 #61
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FGS he didn't say he was lucky to win his Titles, he said he was lucky to win ALL of his titles, and qualified the luck as being lucky to have been in a race winning car for so long.
You pointed out 2 things, that Schumacher brough the team together at Ferrari and worked very hard to make it a winner, but he was only one cog, and it was the management that brought the team together and it did all gel and excel for a long period. You also point to the drivers he beat (and occasionally lost to) like Raikkonen, Hakkinen, Alonso, when these guys had race winning cars they won races, but none of them were able to call upon a race winning car for the same length of time in their career as Scumacher did. I would say that was pretty lucky, and regardless of whether "you make your own luck", its still a prrivelgied and fortunate situation to find himself in. He made the best of it, but it could have happened to another driver and they may well have won 4 or 5 titles whilst MS struggled in an uncompetitive Williams or Mclaren.
Moss never stated that MS lucky to win anything, only that 7 titles could be seen as partly lucky"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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17th June 2011, 23:41 #62
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18th June 2011, 00:04 #63
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
I don't see what Dan Gurney or Chris Amon really have to do with this except that, like Moss, they both failed to win a championship but were also fantastic drivers.
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18th June 2011, 00:17 #64
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
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18th June 2011, 00:27 #65
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18th June 2011, 00:29 #66
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18th June 2011, 17:00 #67
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Folks,
ENOUGH!
Please can we have no more personal insults, criticisms, aspersion, etc
If you put forward a controversial view, this is your prerogative. But, you must be prepared to substantiate it and should do so when asked.
I hope you get the picture.Duncan Rollo
The more you learn, the more you realise how little you know.
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20th June 2011, 12:15 #68
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Originally Posted by D-Type"But it aint how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done." Rocky.
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20th June 2011, 12:34 #69
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saw a programme on BBC4 where Richard Hammond spoke to StirlingMoss about, amongst other things, recovering from a huge accident that nearly killed him, relating also to Haamonds dragster crash and brain injury. The man is definately not in the slightest bit senile, he might be outspoken, but his thoughts were conveyed incredibly clearly
"I" before "E" except after "C". Weird.
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22nd June 2011, 10:09 #70
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
We are all entitled to our opinions and many in the past have disagreed with minority or contraversial ones. That is what life is all about. However may I suggest you pop down to your local library or even use t'internet to find out a little about the man and just some of his accomplishments?
From what I've read of your posts, which is not much I admit, you seem to be a bit of a Ferrari/Schumi fan like myself? Go grab yourself any book on Ferrari history and you will find plenty in there that would tell you what Ferrari thought of him. Read any book on Schumi (that's worth reading) and you will find that HE sees Moss as one of the all time greatest drivers, a person whom HE has a deep respect for.
As someone else said, I hope I can still breathe, chew my own food and fart without needing to change my pants every time I do. Let alone still be highly competitive and winning races against much younger competitors at his age.:ninja: silent and deadly :ninja:
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