McLaren vs Renault - the impact of Alonso

[OTA]

Finally some logic into this issue. The impact is large, but even larger by the Hamilton effect. Reno is been left with 0 top drivers while Mac has two of them.

Cheers
David

[Garry Walker]

I disagree. I think his arrival, along with the signing of Hamilton, has reinvigorated McLaren. That might not have a direct effect on performance, but indirectly it has made a difference, just as Alonso's departure from Renault has had a negative impact on their motivation. They are not acting or talking like two-time champions, and their expectations seem to have taken a dive as well.

Wrong and Wrong - did you read my post? Renault is struggling with the BS tyres, their car has always been designed totally differently compared to what the BS tyres require.

McLaren has been the opposite - they have gained from BS tyres, and this years rules.
Alonso has nothing to do with it, its not like he has suddenly told the engineers how to design a better car (besides that, he has only tested for a very little time, not enough for any driver to have an impact). Those are facts.

[akv89]

Wrong and Wrong - did you read my post? Renault is struggling with the BS tyres, their car has always been designed totally differently compared to what the BS tyres require.

McLaren has been the opposite - they have gained from BS tyres, and this years rules.
Alonso has nothing to do with it, its not like he has suddenly told the engineers how to design a better car (besides that, he has only tested for a very little time, not enough for any driver to have an impact). Those are facts.

Arrows did not say that Alonso designed the car. He said that a World Champion coming into the McLaren team could have raised the usually damp morale at McLaren. Likewise as the interview with Briatore suggests, his departure demoralized members of Team Renault. Tires may play a big part but you can't say that Alonso has absolutely nothing to do with the way things turned out this year.

[Garry Walker]

Arrows did not say that Alonso designed the car. He said that a World Champion coming into the McLaren team could have raised the usually damp morale at McLaren. Likewise as the interview with Briatore suggests, his departure demoralized members of Team Renault. Tires may play a big part but you can't say that Alonso has absolutely nothing to do with the way things turned out this year.

How do you know what the morale at McLaren was?

[Kieran20]

renault have never really been the fastest team. the last two seasons they have been strong at the start. then been on damage limitation for the rest of the season. i think this year now without alonso they dont have a driver who can deliver the maximum. and that is their biggest problem.

[akv89]

How do you know what the morale at McLaren was?

I was referring to the robotic way in which things worked in McLaren under the leadership of Ron Dennis. But why don't you ask that question to Kimi Raikkonnen or Juan Pablo Montoya?

[ioan]

I disagree. I think his arrival, along with the signing of Hamilton, has reinvigorated McLaren. That might not have a direct effect on performance, but indirectly it has made a difference, just as Alonso's departure from Renault has had a negative impact on their motivation.

Morale won't make a difference regarding reliability if I might disturb your logics.
What they needed was technical knowledge and it seems they got some.

Maybe Newey leaving had a positive effect on McLaren's technical team!

As for Renault, they struggle with the tires, and that does have little to do with Alonso, and a lot with Bridgestone.

[ioan]

I was referring to the robotic way in which things worked in McLaren under the leadership of Ron Dennis.

Did Ron leave McLaren and Alonso took his place? I really thought I've seen Ron there yesterday as team principal.

[akv89]

Morale won't make a difference regarding reliability if I might disturb your logics.
What they needed was technical knowledge and it seems they got some.

I disagree, morale makes a great deal of difference. Skillful technicians need to be motivated enough to work hard and reflect their potential in order to build a winning car. You will recall that motivating the team was one of Schumacher's biggest assets.
It is also true that technical knowledge is important. I dont know how much Alonso has, but Garry Walker seems to think he has none and that is why I never brought up the subject.

Did Ron leave McLaren and Alonso took his place? I really thought I've seen Ron there yesterday as team principal.

Of course Ron Dennis is still principal, c'mon ioan I thought you would have known that :. What McLaren didn't have is a World Champion. And with Alonso now in their team, I can't believe when someone says that it didn't make the slightest amount of difference in the way the members of the McLaren team think

[ioan]

What McLaren didn't have is a World Champion. And with Alonso now in their team, I can't believe when someone says that it didn't make the slightest amount of difference in the way the members of the McLaren team think

Alonso to McLaren did not affect this year's car design or reliability for that matter, not for now anyway.

Also McLaren and RD won't change their way because of FA, he will change his (see haircut change already : ).