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12th December 2015, 15:07 #51
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I don't know exact figures, but I'd say that a brand new car would cost around 170-200k dollars, including base car.
I think prices are appropriately the same between brands. There are some small differences, for example, as Baratec uses in-house developed dampers while Tango (which runs Chevrolets) uses Reigers dampers.
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12th December 2015, 20:16 #52
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That's not much less than R5 car which can be used in FIA events.
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16th December 2015, 15:13 #53
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The problem is that in Argentina when you import a car you pay a huge amount of taxes (don't know exact numbers there, but in Brazil, for example, you end paying around 100% of the value of the car in taxes. So a 200k dollar car end up costing around 400k, excluindg shipping costs). So, in Argentina's case in which a Maxi Rally is almost 100% built there, it's not that close to a R5 car. A Maxi Rally car only has the gearbox, diffs and dampers (in some cases) imported. And it's easier to import those parts paying less tax than importing a full car.
In Paraguay, for example, the taxes paid are a lot lower or non-existant in some cases. That's why there are a lot of S2000 and R5 cars over there.
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16th December 2015, 16:12 #54
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Thank You for explanation.
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5th March 2016, 02:02 #55
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THe Rally de Córdoba was held last weekend at Villa Carlos Paz and Mina Clavero.
There were 20 Maxi Rally cars and 10 Maxi Junior cars.
1. Federico Villagra/José Díaz (Ford Fiesta - MR) 1:13'20.8
2. Marcos Ligato/Rubén García (Chevrolet Agile - MR) +3.8
3. Alejandro Cancio/Santiago García (Chevrolet Agile - MR) +50.5
4. Luciano Preto/Marcelo Der Ohannesian (Peugeot 208 - MR) +1'16.2
5. Miguel Baldoni/Gustavo Franchello (Peugeot 208 - MR) +1'22.3
6. David Nalbandian/Leonardo Suaya (Chevrolet Agile - MR) +2'33.9
(Nalbandian was the 2002 Wimbledon finalist.)
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11th March 2016, 20:37 #56
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Cordoba Rally highlights:
1st leg: https://youtu.be/K6Pt9gB9JyU
2nd leg: https://youtu.be/dEqfuY76LJARally addict since 1982
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7th June 2019, 16:59 #57
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Surprising move from Argentina's Asn (ACA/CDA): R5’s will be elegible in local championship from 2020 (and allowed this year, without taking points).
Source: http://www.revistascratch.com/intern...rgentino-50932Rally addict since 1982
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22nd January 2020, 22:09 #58
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I think the FIA has been doing some pressure to include R5 cars since a while, even (according with some sources) with the threat of cancell the WRC event. The local authorities (ACA/CDA) couldn't resist the "offer". So R5 and R4 cars are allowed from 2020. There were a R5 appereance at Rally Neuquen with Sordo at the wheel of a Hyudai i20 (he won, but the R5 and R4 cars ran as guests without points).
From the drivers point of view, most of them think that none of the R5 cars will be running the entire championship, but for sure there will be R5 cars in some events. Why? Because the same reasons that permited the creation of the Maxi Rally cars (taxes and the argentine customs). For sure there will be R5 cars from Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia on the events near the borders, but it's very unlikely to see a R5 from a local driver all the season.
The reasons for the creation of the Maxy Rally are still the same today, very high taxes, car/kit providers from Europe, very long customs time to release parts, and our currency moving up and down like crazy compared with the American Dollar. All those condiments makes the MR the best option, even if it has become a bit out of date or if it looks expensive to buy. The real beneffit is to be able to build and repair the cars with the fewer need of imported material for maintenance.
On the other side, most of the fastest drivers are team owners at the end of their profesional carrers, so the MR fit very well their expectations of competition/fun/bussines. The rest of the drivers are young drivers learning how to drive a 4WD car, or men with bussines that allow them to drive some races a year (others do the complete championship). The more talented young drivers will go to race with R5 on CODASUR events if they can (as Nicolas Diaz and Martin Suriani). In 2019 there was a new champion (Miguel Baldoni) after 13 years of Villagra(9)/Ligato(4) titles.
Baldoni was close to miss the season at the begining of the year because lack of funds. Alejandro Levy, the owner of Tango Rally Team (now the same owner of the CARX series) facilited him the car. This team was Ligato's team, but Ligato has been diagnosed with cancer in 2018 and he sold the team to Levy. Thankfully Ligato recovered well and made a great comeback in 2019 fighting with Baldoni until the last race for the championship.
About the cars, there has been near 10 MR turbo cars at every event plus some MR atmospheric cars. Some old cars has been converted to turbo version. Because the amount of atmospheric version cars, they had a separate category (RC2A) last two years. The Toyota Etios R4 (Oreca kit from RC Competicion) has taken part of some races this year. A big part of these cars run at the CARX (rallycross) championship too.
For 2020 there will be new cars. CEO Team is working on a Toyota Etios MR turbo for Nadia Cutro. The champion of the RC2A category (the young Martin Suriani) will be part of the RC2 turbo championship with his Peugeot 208 (updated with a turbo engine). Some other drivers that last year jumped from RC2N to RC2A will jump again into the turbo RC2 class.
There was 24 RC2 different entrances and 14 RC2A in 2019, so maybe in 2020 we could see the same amount with some RC2A converted to RC2. Some drivers moved from one class to the other through the year, so the total number is fewer.
2019 MR cars from Rally and CARX:
Ford Fiesta
Peugeot 207
Peugeot 208
Citroen DS3
VW Gol
VW Polo
Toyota Etios (R4)
Chevrolet Agile
Chevrolet Onix
Audi A1
Renault Clio
There are two good youtube channels to see the best action: RallyArgentino and CARX
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22nd January 2020, 23:37 #59
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Two other things to point. The Group-N cars have been bound to update the fuel cell with a huge cost compared with the cost of the car, so many cars left the championship this season.
There were two Maxi Rally N attempts. One was a VW Gol build/rebuild using the MR turbo engine (with less turbo pressure) and the H gearbox of a Subaru group-N.
There is a video at youtube of Patricia Pita from Uruguay, showing his Maxy Rally N. Maybe we could see MR-N in the future as a replacement of the MR atmospheric and group-n.
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31st January 2020, 14:00 #60
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To have an idea about the price, there is a Peugeot 208 Maxi Rally turbo for sale at 135.000 american dollars.
It have Motec electronics, Reiger dampers and it looks complete. It's a six years old car, raced at the "Mar y Sierras" category.
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA...2-e8de34fe385e
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