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    Very nice of Baumschlager and Kreim! What will they vote for next? Give Baumschlager penalty of 2 minutes before every rally :-D
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    Very very impressive drive by Baumschlager and also Kreim on Saturday.
    Maybe next year the opponents should try to get some 2017spec WRCs

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    Quote Originally Posted by tc10a View Post
    Maybe next year the opponents should try to get some 2017spec WRCs
    how do You know they would be faster for them?
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post

    any link with Sierra Morena stage results?
    http://online1.atodomotor.com/online...2/2/rally.html

    Burgos restricted 911 close with faster r5 of Perez. Go figure how ''hard they were trying'' last year the unrestricted 911 with 450 bhp.Really heroes their drivers. lololol
    And plenty of guys from here wanted to continue this farce.
    Vallejo hard times with not bhp advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    And plenty of guys from here wanted to continue this farce.
    Enlighten me please in what way driving a beast is a farce?
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Besides that there is nothing hi-tech on R5. In many ways the gr.N car is more hi-tech than R5 (for example it has active center differential). R5 are tailor-made race cars built within a framework of rules which weren't created to compete against whatever invention any ASN in the world comes with. Your never-ending meaningless comparisons make no sense as it's formost the R5 which is restricted.
    Once we’re on ‘fixing’ mode:
    “Besides that there is nothing hi-tech on OVERPRICED R5. In many ways the gr.N car is more hi-tech than R5 (for example it has active center differential). R5 are tailor-made race cars built within a framework of rules which weren't created to compete against whatever invention any ASN in the world comes with”.

    Btw, you managed to expose R5 major paradox: they’re technically simple cars, yet they cost around 250.000€!

    Probably because R5 is about “tailor-made rally cars (…) which weren’t created to compete against” other cars, they’ve become a sort of manu’s tuners monopoly and FIA sloppily allow them to hugely surpass R5’s initial target prices.

    It’s true they sell well, but they’re still very expensive cars to buy and run. Maybe FIA doesn’t care, but ASN’s must provide competitive opportunities for teams and drivers with lower budgets. Getting a fair BOP between different rally classes it’s not a “whatever invention”, it’s a wise measure taken on the sport interest.
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    Another amazing exhibition of Garcia’s N+ Evo on the spanish championship. He was almost 1m in front of Perez Fiesta R5 at the end of the morning and spent the rest of the day controlling the advantage.

    His domination on the Spanish championship is becoming a joke, after RFEA decision to undermine 911’s in order to get R5’s at the top.

    Even undermined, 911’s still are competitive (2 of them on the top 5), cheap to run, fun to drive and the public favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Btw, you managed to expose R5 major paradox: they’re technically simple cars, yet they cost around 250.000€!

    Probably because R5 is about “tailor-made rally cars (…) which weren’t created to compete against” other cars, they’ve become a sort of manu’s tuners monopoly and FIA sloppily allow them to hugely surpass R5’s initial target prices.

    It’s true they sell well, but they’re still very expensive cars to buy and run. Maybe FIA doesn’t care, but ASN’s must provide competitive opportunities for teams and drivers with lower budgets. Getting a fair BOP between different rally classes it’s not a “whatever invention”, it’s a wise measure taken on the sport interest.
    What You don't see is the price of development. Years of designing, testing, hiring the best people etc. cost a lot of money. You can't skip this part and count the price of the product by simple materials. Once there is more than one manufacturer involved the competition requires spending money, the more competition, the more money. If there was no competition nobody would need two years of testing to make things working better than others. It's not about simplicity of the parts but about the competition between manufacturers. That maybe another paradox as we all want more competition but more competition means that everybody must spend a lot more to be successful.

    Anyway R5 are the most successfully sold top regional level cars ever therefore I don't think they are that much overpriced. Currently the sales of R5 cars are higher than of anything else in the rally world and M-Sport or Škoda sales are limited solely by production capacity.

    For me the sales say enough that R5 in current state are good enough product for the market. Otherwise they wouldn't be sold out for something like a year ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Enlighten me please in what way driving a beast is a farce?
    you still cant understant why is wrong to compete with 100-150bhp advantage against other competitors?

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