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    R1

    See that R1 is much discussed on another place, and see it need its own.
    Is it other countries that will have R1 cars running in 2011? Looks like a good beginner class to learn carhandeling in.
    Will more cars than the twingo come soon?

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    Not sure, but there is a market for simple cars, that are cheap to buy and maintain. Will be interesting to follow the French cup for R classes, and see the speed differences btw them. The R1 might surprise us, and 20 000 Euro for a brand new rallycar is not bad !

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    Impressed by the R1 Twingo in Monte, he made it to the finish !

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    R1 is almost same car as N1. Although it's cheap to run, You can see very few such cars in national championships and I don't think it will change.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Does it have sequential gearbox?

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    No, stock synchronized gearbox.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    R1 is in my head a cheap entry to the sport. And pricewise the alternative is an old car in a National class or a VOC, where you spend more time in the garage than driving it.
    R1 is a new modern reliable car that is a L car, and I am sure R1 drivers have fun fighting it out with other R1s, and I am sure for many a R1 is more than enough to handle.

    If you know and can handle the R1 100%, that is a good basis to jump to R2. But you need the fighting btw the other R1s to have fun, otherwise you are only last....

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    If you want to get somewhere in this sport, I don`t think there is enough time to climb all clases, so a R2 for starters is a better option, it`s not that much more expensive, and you can upgrade it to a Max spec. (Citroen C2R2) for the next year.

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    There is of course a money question here as well, and an well used 2005 C2R2 will cost from 25 000 euro, and I have seen a little used R1 from 13 000 as far as I remember, but there are few of them yet. But in 2011 France and also Poland will run R1 Trophys, so in 2012 they will come out in the 2nd hand market.

    R class prices stolen from the R-class news thread;
    R1:

    The Renault Twingo R1 kit costs 9.500 €.


    R2:

    Renault Twingo R2 kit: 27990 €

    http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rall...ws=124296.html


    Ford Fiesta R2 ready to run: 40.655 € (The price is from the Finnish magazine VM)


    Citroen C2 R2: Tarmac kit: 18.400 € Gravel kit: 19.300 €

    http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...R2complet1.pdf

    Citroen C2 R2MAX: Tarmac & gravel kit: 34.000 €

    http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...AXcomplet1.pdf


    R3:

    Renault Clio R3 Maxi kit: 52.000 €
    “Standard part” kit: 7.800 €
    “Off-road” kit: 8.200 €

    http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rall...io_r3_maxi.php


    Honda Civic Type R: The kit installed into the donor car, which is not included in the price, 95.000 €.

    http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/188.pdf


    R3T:

    Citroen DS3 R3T kit: 62.000 €

    http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...alisation1.pdf


    Note that a “kit” doesn’t include the donor car or assembly of the kit.

    As you can see it’s little bit difficult to compare the prices because they include different things. Usually there are also some kinds of options and add-ons which increase the basic price.

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    I don't think there will be Twingo R1 cup in Poland in 2011, it seems to be too expensive. With Twingo R1 you have almost standard car, standard engine, standard synchro gearbox without LSD (just different final drive), no rear dampers in kit. So it's completely not competitive with almost any other cars. It makes sense just when you have cup with many cars running. Also no kit for gravel available. Kit price is 9500euro without tax plus donor car, plus building a car... 25k euro at least to have it properly done... Generally the idea is good but only when you have cup with many cars (and on good roads as rallying with standard rear suspension on fast and bumpy tarmac could be really dangerous).

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