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    Grp A cars 1987 - 1996

    My attention was to put both Grp A and WRC in the same post but the text was to long so I divided it in a Grp A part and a WRC part (coming soon).


    As there have been discussions about makes attending and possible makes attending the new WRC series, I made a list of the history from the group A and WRC cars that have been there. I put on the list only 4WD cars unless some 2WD have a win in a WRC event.

    Most 4WD makes attending during the group A era was 6 in 1990 and 1991 but in both years only 3 of them got a win. Most (4) different makes won in 1989.

    Most 4WD makes attending during the WRC era was in 1999 – 2002 (7). Most (5) different makes won in 2001.

    From the list (in the WRC part) you can see for example that it was in 2006 when Subaru’s problem started.

    Lets hope that the new WRC format (1.6T) will bring in more manufacturers and also more different winners compared what we have today (2 manufacturers of which the other one get the most wins).

    As a source I used the excellent wed site www.juwra.com that is worth visiting. If I remember right the administrator of this web site is a Finnish forum member but I can’t remember who is it. But anyway, a great web site.

    PS Looking at the home page it seems be Jonkka.

    1987: ............................ WINS
    Lancia Delta HF 4WD..............9
    Mazda 323 4WD.....................1
    Ford Sierra XR4x4..................0
    Audi 200 quattro...................1
    Subaru RX Turbo....................0
    Volkswagen Golf Gti (2WD)......1
    BMW M3 (2WD).....................1

    1988: .................................................. ....WINS
    Lancia Delta HF 4WD, Lancia Delta Integrale.......10
    Mazda 323 4WD..............................................0
    Toyota Celica GT-4 (ST165)..............................0
    Subaru RX Turbo............................................. 0
    Ford Sierra RS Cosworth (2WD)..........................1
    Nissan 200SX (2WD)........................................1
    Opel Kadett Gsi (2WD).....................................1

    1989: .................................................. ...............WINS
    Lancia Delta Integrale, Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16v......7
    Toyota Celica GT-4 (ST165).......................................1
    Mazda 323 4WD............................................... .........2
    Mitsubishi Galant VR-4................................................2
    Renault 5 GT Turbo (2WD)..........................................1

    1990: .................................................. ..............WINS
    Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16v.....................................6
    Toyota Celica GT-4 (ST165).......................................5
    Mazda 323 4WD............................................... ........0
    Mitsubishi Galant VR-4..............................................1
    Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4..........................................0
    Subaru Legacy RS................................................ ....0

    1991: ............................................WINS
    Toyota Celica GT-4 (ST165)..................6
    Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16v.................6
    Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4.......................0
    Mitsubishi Galant VR-4...........................2
    Mazda 323 GT-X..................................0
    Subaru Legacy RS................................0

    1992: ......................................... WINS
    Lancia Delta HF Integrale.....................8
    Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD (ST185).........5
    Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4.....................0
    Mitsubishi Galant VR-4.........................1
    Subaru Legacy RS...............................0

    1993: .................................................. .......WINS
    Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD (ST185).......................7
    Ford Escort RS Cosworth...................................5
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo I......................................0
    Lancia Delta HF Integrale...................................0
    Subaru Legacy RS, Subaru Impreza 555................1

    1994: .................................................. ...............................WINS
    Ford Escort RS Cosworth.......................................... ...................2
    Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD (ST185), Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205).....5
    Subaru Impreza 555............................................... .....................3
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo I, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo II...............................0

    1995: .................................................. ................................WINS
    Subaru Impreza 555............................................... ......................5
    Ford Escort RS Cosworth.......................................... ....................0
    Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205), Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD (ST185)......1
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo II, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III..............................2

    1996: ........................................WINS
    Subaru Impreza 555..........................3
    Ford Escort RS Cosworth...................1
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III....................5
    “Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa

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    This's good work..

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldF
    As a source I used the excellent wed site www.juwra.com that is worth visiting. If I remember right the administrator of this web site is a Finnish forum member but I can’t remember who is it. But anyway, a great web site.

    PS Looking at the home page it seems be Jonkka.
    You do remember correctly, I am forum member.

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    1992 Mitsu Galant
    1993 Mitsu Lancer Evo I

    Is the LAncer Evo I the first Lancer and how can that be an evolution. Should there first be just a Lancer and
    after that can there be The Evo I.

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    There was no sport car called just Lancer in that time. That was just ordinary family car. Sport versions started with Evo I.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    thanks Mirek

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
    ]There was no sport car called just Lancer in that time. That was just ordinary family car. Sport versions started with Evo I.
    I think the Mitsubishi from 1993, was the Lancer GSR

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    Hej Gamla Finn-djavul!
    To give a better idea, even if it a bit more work, maybe show the numbers not just wins but say top5 or top 10....

    Then we see if there was the feeling of more variety...
    I mean even if 3 door and 4 door Sierra Cosworth didn't win a lot, they were a constant presence near the top and an inspiration (I'd say! there's a 4x4 Ford Sierra rally car parked right over there in my driveway...)
    See what i mean?
    Okej, get back to work!
    kiitos, Gamling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICARDO75
    I think the Mitsubishi from 1993, was the Lancer GSR
    I think it was RS, and then it went on to evo 2, 3 etc. The 70's Lancer was called GSR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
    Hej Gamla Finn-djavul!
    To give a better idea, even if it a bit more work, maybe show the numbers not just wins but say top5 or top 10....

    Then we see if there was the feeling of more variety...
    I mean even if 3 door and 4 door Sierra Cosworth didn't win a lot, they were a constant presence near the top and an inspiration (I'd say! there's a 4x4 Ford Sierra rally car parked right over there in my driveway...)
    See what i mean?
    Okej, get back to work!
    kiitos, Gamling!
    Plus the RWD Sierra Cosworth was basically a Touring car! It did suit rally good though, especially on asphalt, but overall not much chance against specialised 4WD cars from Lancia and Toyota.

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