The USA GP has a new bidder.....

[Tazio]

I don't think racing in Vegas is a good idea. I like Vegas but people don't go there to watch racing and Vegas certainly doesn't need another attraction to draw people.

The Mint 400 has been pulling them in for decades.
People from San Diego, LA, (and the inland empire) Bakersfield, The Bay Area
Salt Lake City, and Arizona, go there for all kinds of attractions. Myself, I saw Marvin Hagler,and Tommy Hearns fight there. Crosby Stills and Nash, Hank Williams Jr. Crystal Gayle. Back Stage for Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, BB King, Team Brazil Beat the US in a Vollyball Friendly right after they opened the Thomas,and Mack center and managed even to race a little Motocross, and fished in a Bass tournament at Lake Mead when I lived there. It is with maybe the exception of New York City the biggest entertainment city in the
"Home of the Brave"

BTW I even got comped int the WWF at the Showboat.


Build it, and they will come!!
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[Tazio]

I also don't think local population has much to do with it. Phoenix was also dismal and had a much larger population. I think if they reinstated Imola it would sell out!!

Roamy I don't want to get into a spitting match with you.
Here is the distinction between Vegas, and Phoenix.
Las Vegas has grown because of the hospitality and entertainment business. Phoenix is a completely different demographic. They have beautiful Spring Training facilities. (I've played ball in most of them). Tempe Diablo is particularly impressive. Sun Devil Stadium at ASU is a top shelf facility.
The major portions of the nice parts of Phoenix are inhabited by retirees.
It's on average about 6% hotter than Vegas in the summer but does not get as cold in the winter.
I think Tucson is much nicer. but I don't get along with "Crazy" Rednecks that well.
It depends on the individual.
Have you seen "The Wynn Hotel"? It's a freakin' monstrosity! It's very large.
If Steve Wynn has that kind of money to throw around, this is a no brainer. You and I do agree on one thing. I'd like to see them bring back Imola, and loose some of the Tilkedromes



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[call_me_andrew]

I have never heard of this track, and I can't imagine how it would host an F1 race in the next decade.

I studied the San Degio area and couldn't find any suitable locations for a street course.

Seattle might make an interesting street course: everything is up hill.

Of course the purpose of a USGP isn't to make Americans show up at an F1 race, it's to get Europeans to empty their pockets in America. The weak euro has killed the dream.

[nigelred5]

Man, I can remember how bad the traffic was getting up to the Glen for the F1 races. I can't imagine how bad getting into that place would be. I just can't see it. Maybe that 25 minute Helicopter Ride from Manhattan appeals to B.E. He has basically said it really wouldn't matter if ther was any crowd at an F1 race, as long as it was good for TV. Well, that place certainly could accomodate that.

[Roamy]

Roamy I don't want to get into a spitting match with you.
Here is the distinction between Vegas, and Phoenix.
Las Vegas has grown because of the hospitality and entertainment business. Phoenix is a completely different demographic. They have beautiful Spring Training facilities. (I've played ball in most of them). Tempe Diablo is particularly impressive. Sun Devil Stadium at ASU is a top shelf facility.
The major portions of the nice parts of Phoenix are inhabited by retirees.
It's on average about 6% hotter than Vegas in the summer but does not get as cold in the winter.
I think Tucson is much nicer. but I don't get along with "Crazy" Rednecks that well.
It depends on the individual.
Have you seen "The Wynn Hotel"? It's a freakin' monstrosity! It's very large.
If Steve Wynn has that kind of money to throw around, this is a no brainer. You and I do agree on one thing. I'd like to see them bring back Imola, and loose some of the Tilkedromes


.

While the thought of a race in Vegas is appealing the feeling is just not there. Vegas people are a breed of their own. Wynn has met on several occasions with Bernie. The latest idea was to use some near by land which would be recovered with grass during the offseason and would utilize part of the strip. It didn't happen and probably won't happen unless Wynn puts it together. The casino people are pretty shrewd and if this was a money maker it would happen, but apparently it is not. Also Wynn's doberman almost bit Bernie's nose off.

With respect to Phoenix, I agree that the environment is not good for a F1 race. The street course was horrible, phoenix has no "downtown appeal, one of the organizers I believe was Harley Cluxton - a little whiner boy with nothing more than daddy's money.

Also I do not think street racing suits F1. I hate the Monaco Parade. I think as F1 has expanded in search of new capital markets the mystic and charm has suffered. Tracks like Spa, Monza, Imola, Suzuki still seem to head most avid fans favorite list. While change is inevitable it is not always for the better.

[D28]

It's a club circuit with virtually no instrastructure besides the track itself.

Just who would invest the required millions for a probable short term F1 contract. The Tony George experience is too recent for prudent investors to step forward.

[Tazio]

While the thought of a race in Vegas is appealing the feeling is just not there. Vegas people are a breed of their own. Wynn has met on several occasions with Bernie. The latest idea was to use some near by land which would be recovered with grass during the offseason and would utilize part of the strip. It didn't happen and probably won't happen unless Wynn puts it together. The casino people are pretty shrewd and if this was a money maker it would happen, but apparently it is not. Also Wynn's doberman almost bit Bernie's nose off.

With respect to Phoenix, I agree that the environment is not good for a F1 race. The street course was horrible, phoenix has no "downtown appeal, one of the organizers I believe was Harley Cluxton - a little whiner boy with nothing more than daddy's money.

Also I do not think street racing suits F1. I hate the Monaco Parade. I think as F1 has expanded in search of new capital markets the mystic and charm has suffered. Tracks like Spa, Monza, Imola, Suzuki still seem to head most avid fans favorite list. While change is inevitable it is not always for the better.

I agree with everything you just posted.
It is the underlying reason why the US should not host an F1 race.
It is as painful to watch the old Phoenix GP's as the Detroit races.
And if it came to a road race in a metropolitan setting I would be dead set against it, even if it were in S.D.
BTW the chances of that happening are about a million to one.
Now Baja, there is an Idea mokin:

[Roamy]

Taz

Watkins Glen is the answer for many reasons! Just a couple
1. population and international influence of NYC
2. cheap Virgin airfare.
3. population and proximity of east coast

[D28]

This just in.
The Greenwich Village Motorsport Committee, has announced planns for a F1 circuit, using Manhatten and Brooklyn thoroughfares, including the Brooklyn Bridge. Financing for the proposed USGP would be managed by selling shares in the Brooklyn Bridge; investors would own the historic structure, and could set fares accordingly.
F1 chief, Bernie Ecclestone, is reported to be in serious discussion with the Committee Chairperson.

[Tazio]

population and international influence of NYC

The #1 reason I would stay away
I may run into some of my relatives

followed closely by #3

"Get off me joey"