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16th September 2012, 19:52 #521
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Originally Posted by Franky
There's lots of factors and differences from country to country and culture to culture, but the one thing that is clear is with perfect hindsight of course, is they further the sport has gotten away from cars people can directly relate to, the more the cars become technological marvels akin to spaceships, the less anybody give a hoot. Manufacturers, drivers, spectators. (judging from 2 MFGs, 31 entries)
But you're right too. I walked past a new Fiesta yesterday, they're very rare here in the land of SUVs and Minivan, and since I have crawled around one previously studying the build of the road car and looking at the suspension (I make rally car suspension, so it was with a critical eye) I looked for a second and that was it.. Nothing really interesting, just a nice little fwd car hardly different than an old MKII Golf from 1985 (except the engine is only 1,6 16v vs a 1,8 8v, whoopie I know what we can do with the VW motor, I don't know what we can do with the Fiesta motor)
Nice car. but as the young 'uns say "meh"
I've looked at as much British Rally Champ-peen stuff as i could stand---about 6 minutes. Some of the cars sound nice but they sure as hell aren't anything I'm going to spend time thinking about or watching, not when there's exciting stuff like Finland's F-cup a click away...
As for the Honda Type-R, we saw Finnish Junior Championship being nearly a single make cup and i asked the resident Finn who pointed out the class was limited to Homologated cars and max 1,6 liter... That explains that. Who knows what rules set sometimes leads to local dominance..
As for so many Mister-burus and Sububitchis, they're EASY, they do most of the work for you in stock form and they're fun enough for a certain % of guys.. Here in Fortress America™ in the last 10-11 years Sub-a-rats alone have been often little more than half the whole field, but in some more civilised countries they are maybe only 10%...
I saw a couple of years ago a list of individual cars entered in all of Finland for the whole year and the most popular car remained Escort MkII (rwd) followed by Corolla rwd, Starlets (rwd) BMW (rwd), Volvo (rwd), Opel (rwd) then somewhere all versions of Evo.....and 5 Subarus for the whole year.
People who know what the sport is voting with their pocket books because the rules allow them.
Obviously it would be a different picture is the rules makers were stupid enough to require Homologated cars for everybody.
Thankfully their stupidity is limited..
We are not so fortunate in North America.John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle WA, USA
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17th September 2012, 09:01 #522
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I think that the most important point of today is that nowadays car market is no more driven by sport success. Now 9 of 10 people buy the car because it is big enough and cheap. Reliable enough, having low fuel consumption, having big boot or good EuroNCAP rating. Maybe UK is different but from my surroundings I know only very few specimen who bought a car because it is fast and sporty. With more and more expensive fuel it won't change.
Especially in regards to that for any manufacturer it is way less expensive to make a team of fifty people to build few pieces of purpose built rallycar. It brings same marketing value but saves billions which would be needed for serial production of anything useful for rally. Now they can produce just simple cheap cars.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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17th September 2012, 15:42 #523
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Where did the other R4T/R5 thread go? Or where they combined? If so posts are missing. Confused.
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17th September 2012, 15:48 #524
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Thanks TB.
Was it always there?
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17th September 2012, 16:12 #525
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Thanks. No I thought there was only the one thread but I've been reading both but forgot where the other one was.
Perhaps the other one could be combined with this one. Makes sense.
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18th September 2012, 21:15 #526
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R1T to be discussed by the FIA on 28th September I have heard.
1.4 turbo category. It will probably be strangled with a 29mm restrictorNav
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19th September 2012, 08:41 #527
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1.4T with 29 mm restrictor is Abarth 500 R3T. For R1 that is nonsense because such car has cca 180 Hp. Normal R1A car has like 100 Hp and R1B something like 130-140 Hp. I would agree to put 1.4T in R2 category but sure not in R1.
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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19th September 2012, 20:11 #528
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First start and first victory for STI R4 saloon and Toshi Arai. Gaurav Gill (leader) retired with broken clutch, Alister McRae with overheating and Juha Salo crashed. So no S2000 finished.
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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20th September 2012, 01:34 #529Originally Posted by Mirek
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20th September 2012, 08:39 #530
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There are so many variables that You can't get some nice single value. There are stages where R4 can be even faster and there are stages where R4 have absolutely no chance.
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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