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    So new R2T Fiesta mk8.
    Will this one also come as R1T and R3T or R3C maybe?

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    Now we have issues discussed in several threads about the new R class cars hitting the market in 2020. Better to discuss Rally 5 up to Rally 3(R1-R3)
    R2 has been and still is a success, while R1 has not in most markets. The new one seems to have better odds.

    And to get new people into the sport, the minor classes are important for recruitmemt and driver development.

    Some quotes from other threads:

    That would be a surprise. The new R1/R2/R3 rules have turned R1 into a sort of R2- and R3 into a R2+, as they all can now get a 5 speed sequential gearbox and a turbo engine up to 1333cc (with tuning levels upgraded according to the class). The new Clio has 1323cc and Renault Sport main aim is to provide an economical car for their rally cups; it’d be strange if they choose to develop it under the more expensive R3 class.

    Anyway, from what I’ve heard (and mostly read) RS will start with a cheaper Clio (limited to 180cv) for rally cups use (probably a R1 or a ligth spec R2) and later provide a Kit (full R2 or, less likely, R3) for the drivers/teams eager to figth for 2wd wins. At the end of the month we’ll know better.

    FIA has published new regulations that supports their new ladder for new talent. https://www.fia.com/file/75687/download/20698?token
    Even if the cost of the R1 cars has gone up, it looks and feel like a car is a more buildt for purpose than the old, more standard cars. And the old ones are still allowed to use, and have good prices, but will then have a more intern competition, but a cheap ticket into the sport.

    New Rally class ladder

    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...der-stepped-up

    What I do not see in the FIA documemt, is something on the new 4wd rally 3 car, but I might have missed it, or it is too early?

    From the R1 thread with tech detail:
    Renault Sport simply calls it ‘Clio Rally’ but as expected the new Clio is a R1 rally car, developed according to future Rally 5 regs. Despite the 1.3T engine, tech specs are quite similar to the Fiesta R1 (5speed sgb, lsd, +30cv,-30kg) for an announced price of 42.000€ (4k less than Fiesta). For now it seems RS will be pretty busy building new cars for their 3 cups (Rally, Racing, RX) but a R2 kit could soon follow (bolder rumours also mention a Rally 3 version?!?).

    ENGINE
    Type : Renault HR13 – 4 Cylinders 1330cm3 Turbocharged
    Max. Power : 180 BHP
    Max. Torque : 300 N.m.
    Cooling : Standard modified
    Fuel management : Direct Injection Max. Engine Speed : 6500 rpm Electronics : ECU Life Racing
    Fuel : SP98 Unleaded

    Ford/MSport

    Engine: turbo charged 999cc Ford EcoBoost
    Horsepower: 150 HP at 5,750 RPM
    Torque: 200Nm at 5,000 RPM

    Prices:
    the conversion kit is priced at €26,990.00 + VAT (not including donor car or wheels)
    the fully-built, ready-to-race car is priced at €45,990.00 + VAT

    Who's buying?

    More details at:
    https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-pos...FORD-FIESTA-R1

    Technical specification:
    https://gallery.mailchimp.com/8fb932...cification.pdf

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    Umh, you say that, apart from the engine, but it`s a very big component. 1/3 of torque difference and 30 bhp difference may also make quite a difference in materials...
    Last edited by Tarmop; 13th November 2019 at 19:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    Umh, you say that, apart from the engine, but it`s a very big component. 1/3 of torque difference and 30 bhp difference may also make quite a difference in materials...
    More 30bhp seems reasonable considering it’s a 1.3 engine (Clio) vs a 1.0 (Fiesta) and that’s why they’re in different weigth classes (1080/1030kg) but the torque difference is really huge and quite puzzling.
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    https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/...-mobility-5614

    ''The Polo GTI R5 remains an integral part of Volkswagen Motorsport’s customer sport offering and will continue to be produced for customer teams. The Hanover base will be responsible for continued customer support, spare parts supply and the competitiveness of the Polo. Factory-backed competition entries with the Polo GTI R5 will no longer go ahead.''

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    Yep, the FIA really knows how to make rally categories easy to understand…

    No problems with turning R1 into Rally5, R2 into Rally4 and R5 into Rally2 but naming R4 as Rally2 Kit and to freeze Rally3 (probably until the future 4wdR2 cars appear, if ever) while keeping the old R3 designation sounds confusing. Besides, they didn’t change WRC to Rally1, as promised, and they kept RC Classes, which are now totally redundant.

    Even if they were a rarity nowadays, old S2000/S1600/N4 and other N/A cars still homologated can't run WRC events anymore (no idea about other FIA series) and R3 new homologations will cease (this one makes sense once there’s now little difference to R2).

    Overall, FIA new rally ladder is still incomplete and too focused on manus official tuners (even private homologations in RGT were banned and the only room for private tuners is the ever more invisible R4) making hard to get a larger diversity of cars and brands, as the sport needs.
    Last edited by Rally Power; 29th November 2019 at 18:45.
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    Agree about the grand confusion they've managed to cook up.
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