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Thread: Senna...a sportsman ?
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1st May 2009, 14:26 #1
Senna...a sportsman ?
Originally Posted by cynisca
No he wasn't.
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1st May 2009, 14:34 #2
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Yeah, now you may have some valid opinions Tamburello (even though, reading the F1 forum, I'd say the "rate of success" is about 1 in 100 ), but don't you think it's a bit crass to post negative opinions on Senna with a user-name like yours?
I mean, I wouldn't go on a Villeneuve remembrance thread as, say, Terlamenbocht and say he was crap..
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1st May 2009, 14:40 #3
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I think it is valid to post negative opinions of someone in these circumstances. When one remembers Senna, most will also remember the significant controversies in which he was involved, and which were arguably just as big a part of his 'make-up' as a driver as were the positive aspects.
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1st May 2009, 14:41 #4
Just because he's been dead 15 years doesn't change the fact that, talented though he undoubtedly was, he was also unsporting and showed a total disregard for the safety of his competitors.
You may wish to remember a less real version of the man, but it doesn't change the fact that he was not an untouchable saint.
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1st May 2009, 14:44 #5
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Tamburello, NO driver is a saint & it's accepted that that included Ayrton on occasion, but this really isn't the place to be scraping up the select 'off' moments in an otherwise stella career. Sure he was fallable, just like EVERY other driver out there.
I had the fortune to meet Ayrton & spend a few moments with him. It was after a test session at Silverstone when the paddock was empty bar teams packing up. Ayrton was exceptionally engaging, if a little enigmatic.. there was a humbleness about him that seldom was seen infront of the tv screens.
This thread seems to be a place for reflecting on the loss, I'm assuming from your comments so far that you weren't a fan.. well others are, so please in this thread have a modicum of respect for them & indeed for the memory of Ayrton... in other words.. if all you're going to do is be disrespectul.. then stfu.
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1st May 2009, 15:00 #6
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
The man was complicated. Not a saint, by any means!
What really ticks me off, though, is blatant bashing, which I think a certain person has clearly been quilty of in this thread.
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1st May 2009, 15:00 #7
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Originally Posted by elis
I think it's a shame that being honest - no more - about the dead is now deemed somehow disrespectful or unreasonable.
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1st May 2009, 15:16 #8
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
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1st May 2009, 15:24 #9
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
But that's hardly the point, is it.
"An intrinsic part of Senna's career were the numerous occasions on which he acted in an unacceptable manner," you say. That's a correct statement, in my opinion (even though I will always be a great fan of the man). But focussing solely on the bad is just as wrong as stating the man was an infallible hero, I think. No, in fact it's probably worse!
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Anyway, I hope this thread can continue in a more pleasant manner.
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1st May 2009, 15:47 #10
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Originally Posted by BDunnell
What a great talent, what a joy to watch!
Meeke had a big gap to Rossel after stage 3 (20 sec) at stage 4 had a puncture and now the gap to Rossel is just 2 sec Gryazin strangely slow,anybody now why?...
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