0-60 mph times

[Andy Gregory]

This is part of an e mail I received from John Davenport. John was head of the Austin Rover team and had a lot to do with the MG Metro 6R4 in the Group B era.

This is what he had to say about the 6R4's 0-60 time:

Autocar tested a standard 6R4 and one of the full rally cars that we brought back from the abortive trip to Portugal in 1986. They timed the rally car at 2.8 seconds 0-60mph and, as far as I know, that is still one of the fastest cars over that particular criterion that they have ever tested. It was able to do it, incidentally, since the V6 could be revved above it normal limit of 9,600rpm and thus they were able to hold second gear to achieve 60mph without popping it into third. Frankly, I doubt if the Delta S4 or Quattro E2 would have been faster had they ever been tested under rigorous conditions as there was always some delay in getting the gases flowing through their long and complicated induction systems. Mind you, once past 60mph, they would have been gone ...

[Magnus]

IMHO it is not a question possible to ask without given parameters regarding tires, the preffered gear set for the stage in question and information regarding temperature (boost pressure), humidity, stage length (fuel amount) friction, temperature of road, altitude and some other variables. I also do not know to what extent you where allowed at this time to change for example camshaft for different driving environments.
All in all it is a difficult question.

OT:
reporter: Hi Magnus! Nice seing you again! Where have you been all this time?
M: Well, you know: a lot of work. And I also experienced some computerprobs which ultimately led to an exclusion from the CMR championships.

reporter: So know that youre back: any new plans?
M: Not really. I am aiming at producing good results here on the forum, with some nice posts now and then. As for the next season I have not signed anything yet. It is to early for that.

Reporter: Well I know that you have been dearly missed by fellow forumers, not least your intelligent comments and nice approach to other forumers and issues of our sport. Nice to have you back and all the best for the challenges to come!
M: Thank you very much! (waiving to the audience)
(forumers and fans cheering and applauding)
(agent escorting Magnus out)

[Brother John]

OT:
reporter: Hi Magnus! Nice seing you again! Where have you been all this time?
M: Well, you know: a lot of work. And I also experienced some computerprobs which ultimately led to an exclusion from the CMR championships.

reporter: So know that youre back: any new plans?
M: Not really. I am aiming at producing good results here on the forum, with some nice posts now and then. As for the next season I have not signed anything yet. It is to early for that.

Reporter: Well I know that you have been dearly missed by fellow forumers, not least your intelligent comments and nice approach to other forumers and issues of our sport. Nice to have you back and all the best for the challenges to come!
M: Thank you very much! (waiving to the audience)
(forumers and fans cheering and applauding)
(agent escorting Magnus out)

mokin:

[rx-guru]

After seeing this video, I don't know if to believe you or what I see ... lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY--2UTzom4&fmt=18

A current GpB Lancia Delta S4 for Hillclimbs (with 600+bhp) is as much a GpB car for Rallying (with 450+bhp) as a GpB car for Rallycross (with 650+bhp) ever was. Hillclimb and Rallycross cars are specials made for nothing else but sprint racing. Would you also compare apples with pears…?

[Nenukknak]

Data Audi Quattro Sport E2 (with PDK gearbox)

0-100km/h: 2.6 seconds and 41.9 metres
0-200km/h: about 10.0 seconds and 359 metres

Gears as follow:

1. 72kph
2. 109kph
3. 143kph
4. 187kph
5. 227kph

[Helstar]

A current GpB Lancia Delta S4 for Hillclimbs (with 600+bhp) is as much a GpB car for Rallying (with 450+bhp) as a GpB car for Rallycross (with 650+bhp) ever was. Hillclimb and Rallycross cars are specials made for nothing else but sprint racing. Would you also compare apples with pears…?

Oh ok, sorry ... then look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y-iRifVkJc&fmt=18

Must be surely some Hillclimb or Rallycross modified S4, ye ...

[rx-guru]

Oh ok, sorry ... then look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y-iRifVkJc&fmt=18

Must be surely some Hillclimb or Rallycross modified S4, ye ...

Without watching the entire clip this is the true Rally GpB stuff of the mid 1980s and I am almost certain that exactely those WRC cars did the 0–100km/h sprint never in under 3 seconds. BTW, did you ever see those beasts live during their time or do you know them by watching old videos only...?

[rx-guru]

Data Audi Quattro Sport E2 (with PDK gearbox)

0-100km/h: 2.6 seconds and 41.9 metres
0-200km/h: about 10.0 seconds and 359 metres

Gears as follow:

1. 72kph
2. 109kph
3. 143kph
4. 187kph
5. 227kph

I guess you mean the Audi Sport quattro S1. 'E2' is a Peugeot tag.
See Audi's official website (small q, S1 and nothing about E2): http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/unter...i_quattro.html

[Nenukknak]

I guess you mean the Audi Sport quattro S1. 'E2' is a Peugeot tag.
See Audi's official website (small q, S1 and nothing about E2): http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/unter...i_quattro.html

I guess someone wants to be a wise@ss? It's irrelevant, but your answer reeks of arrogance, so allow me to retort.

It's a common/popular mistake, but if you know what you're talking about it's really easy. I'll explain so that you can understand .

The S1 is the first rally version of the Sport Quattro.

Let me break it down for you:

Road-version 200 cars: Sport Quattro

First evolution (car used for rallying) 20 cars: Sport Quattro S1 (meaning Sport 1)

Second evolution (the winged beast) also 20 cars: Audi (Sport) Quattro E2

The name E2 was necessary, since the FIA decided that from the start of 1985 the evolutions were denominated by the number of the evolution after the letter "E".

By the way, Audi and Peugeot were the only ones who had (real) second evolutions. So it's logical that the only other place were you heard E2 was at Peugeot.

So again at Peugeot:

road-going version (200 cars): Peugeot 205t16

first evo (used for rallying)(20 cars): Peugeot 205t16

second evo (used for rallying)(20 cars): Peugeot 205t16 E2

The first evo usually had the same name as the roadcar, adding Evo1 or E1 was optional, Audi decided on S1.

And in some cases the roadversion was also initially used for rally, for instance Lancia with the 037 and Ford with the RS200 (who nevered got to rally an Evo version in WRC).

[Nenukknak]

And about the small "q", you're havin' a laugh right?