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Thread: Ford to pull out of WRC?
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6th October 2008, 19:58 #21
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Originally Posted by mdesign
I think that WRC need complete shakeup at the moment. We need to get rid of the current top manufacturers like Ford and Citroen's. It is really hard to change the current rules because each of those two teams have something like hundred workers and thirty WRC cars that will be almost as cheap as group N cars when they are not allowed to use any more. When they are "eliminated" from the sport, then it will be much cheaper and easier for new manufacturers to join. Also privateers and private team with variable sponsors are more interested in it, because then the competition will be more fierce (all teams with lower budget and therefore with more equal level) and therefore marketing possibilities much easier.
Currently you get quite huge sum of money from couple of manufacturers during the season to run WRC. But how easily you can sell such an "interesting" action like we saw in Spain? You dont need to answer.
If we have more teams and they pay less money as a registration fee but we have good show (lets say 5,6,7 drivers are fighting for the win) then we can earn this missing money from marketing. And it is much easier to attract good marketing gurus. I know why it is so hard to find global promoter. If I am marketing guru then I cannot find the way how to make it interesting to show one genius winning it all 5 years in a row.. and to make it attractive for audience:-)
When still such kind of genius has developed (like Loeb) then there is a solution. When WRC is much cheaper then it is much easier to find second(Ogier), third(Hänninen), fourth(Aava) and fifth(Meeke) same kind of genius and to make them fight for the win.
I am scientist in everyday life and sometimes like statistics. So, when there are 10 drivers each year who can afford it to join WRC then the possibility to find another genius is 10 times smaller compared to the situation when 100 drivers can afford to join wrc every year.
What I want to say is that Loeb is not the only genius out there.. probably.. If more people can afford to join wrc then maybe we can find more such kind of geniuses. Better try to find another geniuses than try to make the current ones life harder.
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6th October 2008, 20:32 #22
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Originally Posted by bluufordRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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6th October 2008, 20:38 #23
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
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6th October 2008, 20:40 #24
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Actually I think I know it and I just tried to simplify my thoughts.. and I think that the current way how the full WRC system works is way too complicated. So, I just gave my basic idea and what is wrong from the roots (Ok admit that I didn't talk about technical regulations). I have read all the rules and regulations like you and I like to see my favorite sport more popular like you.. probably.
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7th October 2008, 02:04 #25
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It's amazing how incompetent the FIA is.
The WRC cars need more power over grip, if they want spectacle. Not cars farting around on a go kart track in a stadium.
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7th October 2008, 06:10 #26
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I can't wait for the day when Subaru and Suzuki are winning events and everyone complains because Ford and Citroen aren't there to show them what real speed is.
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7th October 2008, 07:19 #27
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Originally Posted by bluuford
Add to this that the scoop with which teams can pick up new recruits is very limited, it doesn't matter if there is one or a hundred new stars born annually as only very few can proceed to the works seats.
Practical science. Compare this to a fish pond, if you got only one fishing rod and handful of fish fodder, the number of the fish in the pond doesn't very much affect your chances of catching a fish. You throw in the fodder, fish come and you reel in one. How many are left uncatched is academic.
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7th October 2008, 08:25 #28
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To my mind I need cars I can understand, not that I don't get how the idea of going fast between point A and point B is working right now, but bear with me on this:
From a spectator point of view I need:
- An engine producing the right amount of noise for me to exactly know when the driver is accelerating hard or shifting gears. Which the silent WRC don't really do.
- A suspension showing me when the car is braking and accelerating and even when the car is fighting against lateral forces. I know it means going backwards in technology but nowadays cars are as flat as pancakes.
- Tires, control or whichever you want to call them, which cannot deal with the power produced by the engine, whether it is 300 Hp or 500 I don't mind as long I get to see the cars giving a great show.
And all together means we really get to appreciate the skills the drivers have which, frankly, it is impossible nowadays. When you see on board shots it seems they are on a Sunday drive, which of course is far from true, but they don't fight the steering wheel, they don't move their hands to change gears and slightly move their right arm to handbrake.
If you want a good TV show all that should help.
And back to topic, Ford have been threatening for so long that I have the feeling they are only waiting for an excuse to leave, not that they need one or better said they don't have plenty, given the current situation, but it hardly causes any alarm right now does it?There WAS nothing like rallying, Superrally is a joke!
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7th October 2008, 08:49 #29
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That'll never happen Donney! Far too sensible an idea.
Rule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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7th October 2008, 09:04 #30
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Originally Posted by Donney
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
That is maybe the strongest start-list this year so far.. 9 competitive rally1 cars and lot of Rally2 with Loubet and Suninen comeback
[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal...