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I'm just mentioning that you both said "rules are rules" and that "it depends on how it's done". Weird standards.

So did McLaren in 2008, but your argument is that because it was not blatant (and because it is the team you like, of course) then it's not so important.

You need to make up your mind: either...

I find it interesting that no one made anything from the fact that David Coulthard commented on team orders during his tenure at McLaren, when he "had to let Mika pass". For years here at these...

I have been using a language that is not my own for the last 8 years (including regular public speaking), and I have to say that I disagree with your statement. One gets to a certain proficiency, but...

Of course I assume that when you refer to the Argentine Republic you don't say "Argentina", that when you refer to the Federative Republic of Brazil you don't say "Brazil", that when you refer to the...

Indeed :D

Besides all the things that were mentioned above, I would also add the stupid "rev limiter" thing. That took a huge variable off the races, with an almost insane reliability and no power...

I totally agree with that. It's hard to imagine USF1 having even decent performances.

People here seem to be too quick to dismiss a driver they don't know. How many of you guys knew about Jenson, Kimi, or Fernando before they started in F1? JM Lopez is probably not the next best thing...

If you want to do stupid things in the ice, FWD is not the ideal thing :)

That's really a matter of tire design. F1 cars run that way (no stops) for many years (all the 60s, 70s, and early 80s if I'm not wrong). If they could cope back then, they can now.

I have...

By the way, I'm loving this thread :)

The very reason I came to these forums more than 7 years ago was that, after Austria 2002, Patrick Head was on record saying that it was "the most...

Fair enough. Although his second win was that Las Vegas race, where Reutemann had whatever issue his car had, and Piquet was just praying for the race to finish.

If I tell you that with one race...

You are stating as fact something that is your own opinion. By Austria 2002, MS had 44 points to RB's 6, and that had nothing to do with team orders: it was the result of what had happened at the...

De la Rosa might not be the fastest race driver, but he developed the McLaren cars for years, so his technical knowledge is top notch. And that's exactly what a new team might need. Thing is that in...

Well, we completely agree on that :up:

"Felt"? You are conveniently forgetting that at Long Beach, as soon as AJ passed him, the team showed the "hold positions" board.

Perfect, then. So, how do you feel about what happened at Rio in 1981?

The only proof you have of that is the fact that you like Williams and you dislike the Ferrari/MS combo. Because it could have perfectly be that Reutemann was better than RB, or that Jones was worse...

Well, 9/11 happend from planes departed from Boston and NY, so you may cut those off too?

I cannot agree with that. The Williams team showed no pity for Reutemann having lost the WDC, and were very happy for having won the constructors championship. And the story of the distribution --...

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Someone please get this kid a video history of F1.

Or, maybe he thinks that F1 started in 1994 ;)

I agree with you :up: In my case, the rule changes were too much, and I couldn't take it :s

Hey, man :)

It was 4 when I left, and it's 5 now :D

What I don't see mentioned here as a cause of the war is the fact that the USA need to be in war because they need to keep their huge military industry running. Lost of votes to be lost if many...

Good point. I used to say that a lot, but then I kind of got tired. Like trying to explain the majority that the new millenium started on Jan 1, 2001 :mark: