I like hard racing, bumping and banging to the finish. But what crosses the line for me is when a driver is many laps down, clearly not racing for anything but a few spots up from 43rd, goes out and crashes another driver (running in the top 5) deliberately. Not only tries to crash once, but tries to do so the lap prior, doesn't get it done, then the following lap literally turns right into him in order to cause a big wreck. To me, what Brad has done in the past, is simply VERY aggressive RACING. He generally is trying to squeeze into a spot that is a longshot to get into. So he sometimes causes wrecks that way. That early wreck at AMS between the 2 is completely debatable as to whose fault it even was, I actually think it was Carl's. And what Carl did as "payback" is NOT racing, it's purely using his car as a weapon to crash out someone he's pissed off at. There are ways that Carl couldn't have handled this, aggressively, without resorting to what he did at AMS. Hopefully NASCAR can see that as well.