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27th October 2020, 07:35
AnttiL

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Originally Posted by djip

On another topic : Did anyone ever thought if significant cost cuts could not be made by proper adjustments to the calendar ? For once i never understood why no one has ever considered / thought about "double headers" (2 events close enough, one week apart to save travel costs). Corsica and Sardigna would be the closest, but of course one. is gravel and the other tarmac... One could consider finland-Estonia, Deutschland-Croatia-Belgium even Catalunya, NZ-Australia, Chile-Agentina, etc ...

Chile-Argentina and Portugal-Sardegna were done like this in 2019. And would have been done this year as well, had it not been for COVID-19. In 2021 Portugal-Sardegna and Estonia-Finland are planned like this.

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I am wondering also as well is the FIA could not break this stupid 3 days - sunday noon ending rule which I don't think has ever reached its goal (sunday noon air TV coverage ...) and his killing the spirit and the "rythm" of events. Now that they all look the same, it is less appelaing to fans with pretty empty 9-to-12 and 2-to5 days, to the average joeand probably to manufacturers PR guys (to make up a nice and unique story).

Why would'nt events be somehow different : some short, 2 days or 1.5 days "sprint" events (basically craming today's SS mileage in 2 days) a few "endurance events (aka Turkey) and a few longer (3,4 full days ?) "major" events that would be the jewels of the crown and could be sold as such to casual fans ? Would'nt that save costs as well and increase the PR value of the sport ? Ideas ?

There's a whole lot of things which affect the itineraries. You mentioned the "empty 9-to-12 and 2-to5 days". In some countries (Wales, Sardegna) there's a long distance from a reasonable service park location to reasonable stages, and the liaisons just need to be tackled at a certain maximum average speed which is determined by each country. This just results in long breaks between the service and the stages, and it cannot be avoided. There's also other things like remote refuels and recce schedules which are limiting the itinerary design.

If you're interested in this topic, take look at this post https://itgetsfasternow.com/2019/02/...the-rule-book/

As for killing the rhythm and spirit, I think this is highly subjective and I don't think most fans care about the events being always the same.

As for having events that could have different lengths, I've written about this a few years ago on my blog

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2018/01/...not-have-both/

Obviously there's a lot of questions to answer there. Should a long rally award the same amount of points than short? How would we choose who gets to do a short and who a long one? Would privateers avoid the long events because of higher costs?

Also worth reading if you're interested is my article where I interviewed the clerks of the courses of Wales Rally GB and Rally Finland, on what it would mean to shorten or lengthen the rallies by one day. Not as simple as it sounds like.

https://itgetsfasternow.com/2020/06/...in-three-days/

I like Tarkiainen's idea of ending the rally at Saturday evening, but I have no idea about how that would change TV ratings or would any channels broadcast rallying on Saturday evening when there's lots of competition for air time?
27th October 2020, 08:57
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by djip

Have you enjoyed WEC lately ? Not me ...

Ah, the top class has been pretty poor. However, the WEC (and most GT/Sportscar series) is about the classes; the various GTE-Pro/Am are normally good battles, which are shown on the TV as much as the headline LMP1 class. The 'lesser' classes in Sportscars are more important than the lesser classes in WRC.
27th October 2020, 10:37
Sulland

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Originally Posted by Jarek Z

Why is he a WRC3 and not WRC2 driver then? :)

I belive Skoda changed plans due to Corona. He therefor used his Polo more than planned.
27th October 2020, 10:45
AnttiL

https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/...liver-solberg/

To me this sounds like they're giving some discount to Oliver because he's a young talent, like in a sponsorship, but they are not paying salary to him.

Maybe someone knows better than our guesses?
27th October 2020, 10:57
TypeR

Skoda simply wasn't able to bring the car to certain rallies due to the virus and strict rules..

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/olive...r-rally-italy/
27th October 2020, 11:24
AnttiL

https://www.skoda-motorsport.com/en/...an-kopecky-en/

If you look at Skoda Motorsport's website, they have 2020-updated profiles for Jan Kopecky and his co-driver Jan Hlousek, but not for Oliver Solberg or anyone else.
27th October 2020, 11:33
Rally Power

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Like I've said, it's just an assumption that Rally1 rules are the reason for Hyundai possibly switching to circuit racing. They could still leave if WRC continued on Rally2 cars (remember how Citroen said they will quit if hybrids don't come by 2022...and they still quit).

Maybe I wasn't clear: I'm not assuming that Hyundai would continue with other rules; I'm saying that it's impossible, for the sport sake, to start a new WRC era with only 2 manus involved.

If there's a real risk of Hyundai to leave, the FIA must react ASAP; they can't wait much longer to get the 3 manus formal commitment and they must immediately find alternative rules if that commitment fail.

Rally2 Mild Hybrids, probably on a Rally2+ mode (with a larger restrictor and more aero, in order to distinguish them from those used in national series), seems to be the most obvious alternative.
27th October 2020, 13:43
Sulland

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Difficult to believe Mitsubishi would homologate the Mirage by now, it's an old model and an old car.

If there is a manufacturer that need some PR, it is Mitsubishi!
The Mirage is still around, but have had a small mid life upgrade, mostly make up. So Mpart could upgrade as well.
I guess they have a few motorsport engineers in Mitsubishi that could help MPart if needed, to get a upgrade ir two before FIA Homologation.
27th October 2020, 16:15
djip

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Yes, we could have this happening on single rallies, but the championship title would still be decided between the factory guys. It's also possible FIA would put a similar points divide as WRC2/WRC3 now where you need to enter and commit for the whole series in order to score WRC points, otherwise your points just go to WRC2...:eek:

This WRC2/WRC3 is total nonsense and should be binned - period. The concept of registering for championship poiunts is total nonsense (iother than FIA cashing in big checks from manufacturers) and should be binned - period. Keep it simple : top 10 get points, period. You don't need a PhD to understand this is the best way of doing things.

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

This is the part that many of you just don't understand. M-Sport is a separate company who builds and sells/rents rally cars. Skoda, Citroen and Hyundai are doing the same with their customer programs, but this business model doesn't pay the salaries of the drivers nor the participation of a 14 round WRC season. The budget for this must come either from the car manufacturer or a big sponsor.

How would it be different for, say, Skoda, to do what MSport is doing today (running a 14 events program with 2 drivers ?)If MSport can make it with virtually no cash from Ford, i believe a (better) factory supported team could do it ...
27th October 2020, 16:16
djip

and thanks Antill for the very interesting articles (from your links)

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