We are getting close to see R4 cars driven in anger. So we can leave the thinktank thread, and start posting R4 stuff in this one.
When is the first rallies where we will see R4 kit used, will it be 1st ERC round?
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We are getting close to see R4 cars driven in anger. So we can leave the thinktank thread, and start posting R4 stuff in this one.
When is the first rallies where we will see R4 kit used, will it be 1st ERC round?
Allready runned.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/4...-granada-2018/
Yes, only a course car to Sarrazin before
Several companies are currently building R4 cars but I'm almost sure that they won't be ready for Azores Rally.
One is ready (Fiat 500x from Milano Racing) and probably it's not for ERC but for French Championship
The Fiat 500X from Milano Racing has a program for the French gravel championship. Vincent Dubert will drive it, he's a well known driver from the French DS3 Trophy. Should be fast enough to show the car's potential. :)
In Portugal soon we will have Mitsubishi Mirage R4 ready.
Now the Fiat 500X R4 from Milano Racing has a program in the Italian gravel championship, too. Nicolas Ciamin should be good enough to show potential of the new car.
Sources:
https://www.rally.it/2019/02/ciamin-...italiano-terra
https://www.rallye-sport.fr/ciamin-a...-r4-en-italie/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dl1q6tjXgAAqkNx.jpg
Entry list for the first round of the french gravel championship, Rallye terre des Causses, has been published. Vincent Dubert and his Fiat 500X are present with number 21, but with such entry list he has no chance for a good result:
https://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-de...-causses-2019/
I'll be there and will have a look at that 500X
Good debut, even took the checkered flag.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2019/?s=224245
https://www.facebook.com/abarth124rally/
Hergen Fekken will start Rally South Africa with new Toyota Etios R4, realized by Rally Technic (RSA) : https://www.wheels24.co.za/Motorspor...hamps-20190425
I think it's not new car, but Orecas test car.
That 500x looks really nice, okay it is sub-R5, but it's a really nice fieldfiller and maybe close to the Mitsus which still run. I hope more R4 to come, Nissan Micra please! :D
First overall victory for R4 by Fekken? Not much of opposition there though.
@rikutahko's team has been building a new R4 Kit spec Mini which is promised to see its competitive debut in the next @RalliSM event @RiihimakiRalli at the end of May. Photos from Tahko's https://t.co/vTtDKSPUjy
First R4 is being built in Czech Republic - Suzuki Swift. It shall be ready in October.
More information from Czech paper magazin Rally:
Global Motorsport CZ (Tomáš Pletka who in the past run DS3 R3 cup or some DS3 R3 cars in JWRC) in cooperation with Oreca is preparing distribution of ready-to-race Suzuki Swift R4 cars for Central Europe (no kit as according to Pletka the process of scanning and building of the bodyshell is the most difficult part of it). The car will be presented on Barum Rally but not yet ready to compete (likely available for taxi test drive though). They are in talks to have the Toyota Etios R4 instead in Barum to compete.
They offer the car ready to race for 185 thousand Euro (including seats, safety equipment, 5 tyres etc.). The running cost is calculated to 38 Eur/km but they claim they are confident it can be even less because no parts need to be send anywhere abroad for service. They offer also Sadev transmission parts. The car can be delivered with either Reiger or PKM dampers.
They plan to create a one make cup for Swift R4 in Czech Republic.
As for spec. they claim the near stock engine has 263 Hp and 390 Nm with 98 octane stock fuel. ECU is Magneti Marelli SRG-340. Gearbox and differentials are Sadev from R5.
FIA confirmed the eligibility of cars equipped with the FIA R4 Kit, designed and manufactured by ORECA, for the WRC from 2020.
More information here: https://t.co/FEEimMnHgd https://t.co/E8bpDnn8Ga
So it is around 1000-2000 euros cheaper per national rally than a R5 car...plus a slightly cheaper " catalogue-price". Wouldn`t call it a saviour of 4wd rallying at a budget price.
I think the prices are as follows
Price of new ready to rally R5 aprox 230 000 euro
Price of new ready to rally R4 aprox 185 000 euro
Difference 45 000 Euro
40% less running cost
7 year fixed homologation, no expensive jokers for 7 years to stay competitive!
All i all a good chunk cheaper to buy and run.
Oreca Kit price went from 108 000 to 85 000 euros!! And they are still well over buildcost. So maybe if many sold, kit price can drop again.
Now the car can also be used in all rallies on the globe, also in the World Campionship.
Wasn`t it fixed that a R5 has the price of 50 eur per SS/km, whereas this Swift is going to be 38 eur? That is far from 40% i`d say. Then there is that buying price, R5 doesn`t have to be a new one to be competitive in many national championships (different story in global championships yes but still far more competitive than a R4, which they have to fight against).
Now, you buy a used R5 around that same 185k marker, older ones even less and do a national event in it, they are around 100km-200km i believe, mostly? Difference in saved money: R4 is 1200-2400 eur cheaper. But still expensive and not as competitive to go for the OA win...
Then there are protos with km/eur around 20.-, some even claim 12.
50 Euro/km for R5? Where did You come to such value?
Was on one R4 supplier (or was it proto?) website based in Czech republic.
There is no Proto supplier in CZ and only one R4 supplier who did not claim anything about R5 as far as I know.
But I think I found Your source. Van den Heuvel is claiming in his comparison that the Dytko Proto car costs 15 Eur/km and the R5 50 Eur/km. For me both values seem to be too low but maybe I am wrong.
Yup it was a NL name ideed, probably the same. Don`t know where i got that Czech part.:)
I guess that few knows the real sskm running cost on R4 yet.
But for R5 there for sure is enough data awailable. What is the rule of thumb for R5 running cost?
Finnish driver Riku Tahko was second overall in his debut at the wheel of Mini Cooper R4 in Kalpalinnan Rallisprint.
Final results:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/5...lisprint-2019/
Photo:
http://www.evolve-motorsport.com/wp-...ku_isokoko.jpg
Here's a video of Kalle Rovanperä testing his Fabia R5 and Riku Tahko driving his Mini Cooper R4. Mini Cooper starts at 5m 19s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2c8YbZ-3ng&t=5m19s
Could one of our Finish friends translate the content of Riku Tahko's comments on the car int the interview?
Onboard video of Riku Tahko driving MINI Cooper R4 on Kalpalinna Rallisprint 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGbTCvas12c
Well, how often you change the tires, what fuel you use and what spec. your proto is running in. I can imagine a basic proto running 98 fuel, doing 15 eur per SS km.
I have, yes, quite few old Gr.N for rent, with almost std. spec. They are ofc. not very competitive and hence not comparable in that way, but it`s possible. And essentially, what are Protos based on....
I think this cost/km discussion is affected with the fact that some sources are talking about cost of running your own car, and some are talking about cost of renting a car.
Swift teaser
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3FE2Z-B1jY