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World Rallycross Championship a.k.a RALLYX
Thought that this should have a forum but since I can't do it, I thought there should be at least a thread.
So from now on if you have anything concerning the World Rallycross Championship please post here.
I would like to begin this thread with the following:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112393
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Larsson's Audi A1, Is this the first new 'dirt' Audi for a while?
http://robinlarsson.com/nyheter2011.html
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Cant the moderators or whoever make a sub forum rather than putting it into WRC? After all there are sections for other type of racing, and with Peugeot now being involved in WRX, and Petter, and Ford as well it makes sense to have a sub forum for it.
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no it doesn't... nobody will bother with the sport of the has beens...
lets keep this one and if it gets a 1000 responses when the championship starts we can have a forum.
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Even with Peugeot officially involved I don't think I'll follow this championship...I prefer classic rallies :rolleyes:
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I see HUGE potential with World Rallycross Championship! Having followed ERC back in the 80's when it was great, it's time this great motorsport gets a worldchampion value :up:
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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I see HUGE potential with World Rallycross Championship! Having followed ERC back in the 80's when it was great, it's time this great motorsport gets a worldchampion value :up:
Totally agree!
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I'm really looking forward to the RX season. I think it's going to be a great show. Even as a die-hard "everything-else-but-48km-of-pure-misery=isn't rally" traditional rally fan (at least I like to think so :colour: ) I can't help to be drawn to this category.
I would love it if Solberg did well this year. Say what you want but the guy is passionate for sure. OT but WRC would need some of these guys to crack it up a bit like in the good ol' days. Like listening to RR on rally Sweden you just can't stop smiling when Henning finishes a stage.
I think Solberg and Doran have some unfinished business from last year and of course Solberg has a new engine supplier and 1 year of experience.
As for the has beens- isn't it better to round them all up in RX and maybe pave way for some fresh meat in the WRC?
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Just out if curiosity, how similar are the RallyX Supercars to World Rally Cars? I noticed that there is already a Supercar version of the i20, so it obviously cannot be hard to convert a car from one class to the other.
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RallyX and WRC are very different. If you compare FIA appendix J art. 279 (RX) and art. 255 (WRC) then you have your good night reading in store for a good while. :crazy:
They do share some things (except for the looks).
- Both categories must use a standard engine block as base (in WRC they use standard head too).
- The WRC cars are homologated while the RX supercars have to be recognizable with a standard car regularly on sale (can of course use a FIA homologated car).
- Both WRC and RX supercars have to be based on a 4 seat, closed non-convertible type road legal car.
- Both use front and rear differentials all which have to be mechanical (Supercars can have hydraulic central diff of a non-adjustable type)
A few major differences:
WRC
The WRC cars have much less freedom on the technical side. The regulations states that:
- Up to 1.6 litre 4 cylindre turbocharged petrol engine with minumum weight
- Direct injection
- Max boost of 2.5 bar absoulte
- Max rev limit 8500 rpm
- 33mm restrictor (meaning the engines will produce 'around' 300 BHP)
- 1200 kg minimum weight
- 1820mm maximum width
- A regulated position for the centre of gravity
- Road legal with lights, number plates and so on (ask Gronholm in 2003 Rally GB if all that was necessary)
and the list goes on forever.
RALLYX supercars
- Up to 2.058 litre supercharged 4 cylinder petrol engine (2.33 litres for diesel).
-The block must derive from the same reg. trademarks original block as the cars original bodywork (If car looks like Citroen then block needs to be Citroen)
- 45mm restrictor (power around 600 BHP)
- Minimum car weight depending on engine size
- Bigger brakes than WRC cars if one wants, adjustable brake balance in-car
- Free rim size (max 18")
- Cars must have sprung suspension, other than that it's free (you can use hydropneumatic suspension if you like - cool!)
- Free positioning of water radiator(s) (eg. mounted in the rear)
The RALLYX cars have much less regulations stipulating what can and can't be done. And you have to bear in mind the fact that RX have to withstand a certain amount of bashing. So many differences between the two categories comes from that
Note when I say "free" I mean the regulations are free
Feel free to fill in here and of course expressing your fury over my so called knowledge.
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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Just out if curiosity, how similar are the RallyX Supercars to World Rally Cars? I noticed that there is already a Supercar version of the i20, so it obviously cannot be hard to convert a car from one class to the other.
And possibly (I'm not sure) it's easier to use an already FIA homologated car.
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Originally Posted by MJW
Cant the moderators or whoever make a sub forum rather than putting it into WRC? After all there are sections for other type of racing, and with Peugeot now being involved in WRX, and Petter, and Ford as well it makes sense to have a sub forum for it.
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
no it doesn't... nobody will bother with the sport of the has beens...
lets keep this one and if it gets a 1000 responses when the championship starts we can have a forum.
I made a suggestion for additional sub forums in December 2012:
viewtopic.php?f=93&t=156414
I know Ramona Karlsson is trying to find sponsors for a season in RallyX but IMO I don't think she'll find
enough sponsors to secure a seat for the World Championship so I think She'll have to settle for national series
or possible Euro RX championship.
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In Sweden everything involving 4 wheels and an engine is regarded as a threat to the polar bears. She will get nothing...
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Originally Posted by Hasselhoax
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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Just out if curiosity, how similar are the RallyX Supercars to World Rally Cars? I noticed that there is already a Supercar version of the i20, so it obviously cannot be hard to convert a car from one class to the other.
And possibly (I'm not sure) it's easier to use an already FIA homologated car.
Thanks for that. I was just surprised that they turned the i20 Supercar around so quickly. The cars are fairly tightly-packaged, so I was curious as to the scope for development.
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Originally Posted by BleAivano
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Originally Posted by MJW
Cant the moderators or whoever make a sub forum rather than putting it into WRC? After all there are sections for other type of racing, and with Peugeot now being involved in WRX, and Petter, and Ford as well it makes sense to have a sub forum for it.
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
no it doesn't... nobody will bother with the sport of the has beens...
lets keep this one and if it gets a 1000 responses when the championship starts we can have a forum.
I made a suggestion for additional sub forums in December 2012:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtop ... 3&t=156414
I know Ramona Karlsson is trying to find sponsors for a season in RallyX but IMO I don't think she'll find
enough sponsors to secure a seat for the World Championship so I think She'll have to settle for national series
or possible Euro RX championship.
I was thinking NASCAR / GT racing / Dakar etc has a sub folder and it would be better for those who want to follow RX have their own sub forum, those like NOT wont then have to have their forum clogged up by has beens, ladyboy, village events type comments.
My own opinion is the jury is still out, but RX with the right promotion and tv and internet media could truimph over traditional rallying in attracting the new generation and sponsors, I have been told that Jost Capito is taking an interest for VW after WRC. Now if you look back at the VW way of doing things they utterly dominate then leave, look at what they did in Dakar, is their WRC presnece going to be the same? And for those who dont know it VW is providing a lot of the behind the scenes infrastructure and funding for WRC, look at the organisers cars, posters. I hear even the radio receives a subsidy :-)
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@MJW
Hopefully VW sticks around for a while in WRC. Or before they leave 2-3 new manufacturers arrive and we have a good old battle royale between manufacturers. Maybe the future comes from China?
As for World RX: if it really catches on (which I for one know it did last year here in SWE - got sort of a breath of fresh air and new life) then the manufacturers like VW will go there.
I'm optimistic about it! :bounce:
PS We're on our way to 1000 posts...
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Well that's a bombshell.
What former WRC/IRC drivers could be heading for RX?
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In french mag' Auto Hebdo, Andersson said he was looking for Rallycross World Championship seat.
I think Sandell is doing it too, but in USA.
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Fun stuff when one living in Sweden don't get any info regarding the swedes. PG is fast and it would be great.
I hope the WRXC gets a high enough status that some of the top guys currently in the Global RX will come to it and future drivers not opting to go to the US just for the money or something stupid.
Toomas Heikkinen in WRXC in 2014. Will be better than fighting against a bicyclist, a moped rider and a tv presenter. And he fought off Foust for most part of 2013 and Foust was pretty strong in the European rounds he participated. 2+2= Heikkinen should be fast enough. I think he's a serious title contender.
Just confirmed: http://www.rallycrossrx.com/article/...eneuve-commits
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Originally Posted by Hasselhoax
In Sweden everything involving 4 wheels and an engine is regarded as a threat to the polar bears. She will get nothing...
I think there no real danger to polar bears, they usually are not seen anywhere south of Upplands-Väsby and anywhere north of there is just snow and swamps anyway and isnät really part of Sweden anyway.....probably should force Norway or Finland to take it except for Kiruna could be given to Russia pga alla djävla Stalinister där uppe.. :crazy:
Now Moosies, they're under threat.....Every time one wanders into Hötorget the whole city goes crazy and the Polis have to come out and shoot the poor things. Why? The cars might hurt it.. So better kill the moose!
Dumma snuten. :disturb:
Nice moosies.
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Any ex-spurts here know if there is any limit on suspension travel (dvs slag längden) allowed in rally-cross? I mean the real rally-cross, not the ''made for TV product here in Fortress Amerika.. Any firm knowledge on the travel people are using?
Getting an answer here from the genius tech-nerds is apparently impossible I was just told today from a guy who is working on a new build...He contacted me because I build rally suspension which works good enough to win events and class wins (but that would be like Debutant class in a real rally country)
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Any ex-spurts here know if there is any limit on suspension travel (dvs slag längden) allowed in rally-cross? I mean the real rally-cross, not the ''made for TV product here in Fortress Amerika.. Any firm knowledge on the travel people are using?
Getting an answer here from the genius tech-nerds is apparently impossible I was just told today from a guy who is working on a new build...He contacted me because I build rally suspension which works good enough to win events and class wins (but that would be like Debutant class in a real rally country)
Have a look here and see if you find anything of use:
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...282014%29x.pdf
I can't remember reading of any specific suspension travel numbers. But in my mind you don't need to much travel because of the relatively flat circuits RX runs on in comparison with conventional rally.
You could always try to get in touch with Hansen Motorsport and see if they're willing to help you:
http://hansen-motorsport.se/contact/
Maybe this thread can give you some valuable tips:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1080504
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Any ex-spurts here know if there is any limit on suspension travel (dvs slag längden) allowed in rally-cross? I mean the real rally-cross, not the ''made for TV product here in Fortress Amerika.. Any firm knowledge on the travel people are using?
Getting an answer here from the genius tech-nerds is apparently impossible I was just told today from a guy who is working on a new build...He contacted me because I build rally suspension which works good enough to win events and class wins (but that would be like Debutant class in a real rally country)
The regulations for the lower classes in rallycross in 'Europe' are likely to change.
http://rallycrossrx.com/article/8307/2w ... aw-best-of
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Originally Posted by Hasselhoax
I hope the WRXC gets a high enough status that some of the top guys currently in the Global RX will come to it and future drivers not opting to go to the US just for the money or something stupid.
The "World" component of the name is something that only the FIA can hand out. It recognises that category as the highest class of competition for that particular category of racing. And with it comes a certain degree of protection - the FIA will not allow a rival series to develop to the point where it can rival the designated World Championship, unless the FIA are unhappy with the existing World Championship.
When a racing championship starts up, there are rules that dictate where they can and cannot race. It is slightly different for Europe, because of the close proximity of nations, many of which do not have enough circuits to sustain a national championship. The best example I can give is V8 Supercars. Until recently, the category was limited to Australia. The organisers were allowed two overseas events, and so ran one in New Zealand and a second in Abu Dhabi in support of the Grand Prix. But we largely exhausted our selection of circuits, yet the organisers wanted to continue to grow the category. There was a race in Austin last year, and talk of variously going to Macau, Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, India and Mexico. In order to do that, the organisers had to apply to the FIA for "International" status, which opened up the number of international rounds that were permitted. It was granted, but on the condition that the series did not enter Europe so as not to endanger some of the European touring car series.
The same thing has happened here: by giving the WRX a "World" status, the FIA will ensure it remains the foremost rallycross championship. The GRC might be strong in America, but it will not be allowed into Europe.
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Interesting reading Prisoner Monkeys. Thanks!
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The Aussie v8 Supercars have also been to China and Bahrain. The drivers don't like it so much as they only have a small airfreighted container of spares.
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Why is a rallycross topic present in rallying sub-forum? I have nothing against rallycross but it is not rallying so it shall not be here.
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Originally Posted by Mirek
Why is a rallycross topic present in rallying sub-forum? I have nothing against rallycross but it is not rallying so it shall not be here.
There is no better place to have it since Mark doesn't seem to have more subforums.
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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
the FIA will not allow a rival series to develop to the point where it can rival the designated World Championship, unless the FIA are unhappy with the existing World Championship.
Not sure I agree with this. Technically (as you say) a rivalling series can not be names "world championship".
However there is nothing stopping a rivalling series naming themselves "Global RallyX series".
I have a hard time seeing that FIM would have the legal right to forbid another series.
I know of at least similar cases, one being the BSI/FIM vs. One Sport/Fim-Europe.
The first pair is trying to prevent riders from riding in both but since most of the riders is EU citizens
and all except one of the races (3 out of 4) is in the European Union, I don't think it is legal.
The matter have yet to be decided mainly because FIM constantly is going back and forward
with the matter. First saying they will impose a ban on riders who do both then backing
from that statement saying that riders will will able to both and now again they have decided
that riders should not be allowed to do both.
The other case is between Swedish Car sports federation (SBF) and Swedish Authority konkurrensverket.
SBF tried to ban it's licensed members and volunteers from participating in events organized by
rivalling motorsport federation Motorsportalliansen. This ultimately went to court and the matter was
eventually decided by Marknadsdomstolen which ruled that any form of ban on the drivers or
any form of "loyalty" clauses connected to heavy fines if violated, were not legal meaning that
the drivers are free to drive for whoever/wherever/whenever they want.
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It is common for the governing body of a sporting discipline to have that power. They are recognised as the ruling authority around the world, and that is where the power cones from. Yes, a rival series can start up, but they will struggle to get recognition without the FIA's backing.
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Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
The Aussie v8 Supercars have also been to China and Bahrain. The drivers don't like it so much as they only have a small airfreighted container of spares.
Where they have been is not the point - *when* they went is. You will notice that they only go to a certain number of international events because of the rules set out by the FIA.
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"Volkswagen Motorsport has agreed on an exclusive three-year partnership for the FIA World Rallycross Championship with Swedish Rallycross team Marklund Motorsport. By signing the current Global Rallycross champion Toomas “Topi” Heikkinen (FIN) as their lead driver, Marklund Motorsport have impressively underlined their ambitions in the World Rallycross Championship. "
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/in ... id=812&L=1
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I really think this thread should not be in the World Rally Championship Folder of the forum.
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Originally Posted by MJW
I really think this thread should not be in the World Rally Championship Folder of the forum.
Agree fully, this sh**e needs moved from here- shove it somewhere else please.
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Originally Posted by er88
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Originally Posted by MJW
I really think this thread should not be in the World Rally Championship Folder of the forum.
Agree fully, this sh**e needs moved from here- shove it somewhere else please.
What other subforum would be a better fit for it?
Formula 1? Indycar? Le Mans series? Or Perhaps Motorcycle Racing?
It does not fit in anywhere however the WRC forum is the least misfit.
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Originally Posted by BleAivano
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Originally Posted by er88
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Originally Posted by MJW
I really think this thread should not be in the World Rally Championship Folder of the forum.
Agree fully, this sh**e needs moved from here- shove it somewhere else please.
What other subforum would be a better fit for it?
Formula 1? Indycar? Le Mans series? Or Perhaps Motorcycle Racing?
It does not fit in anywhere however the WRC forum is the least misfit.
Granted they are all misfit but don't be so quick to label this forum the least misfit. All the other racing series have the same important main factor as Rally X (they are all wheel to wheel 'racing') whereas rally is totally different and a race against the clock if you need reminded. I hate this Rally X guff with a passion.. :laugh:
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Well, I had nothing against this thread (and Rallycross as whole) being here, but just hate to hear the name Ken Block.
So, +1 for moving it.
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Sarcasm is something that's just cathing on in some parts of the world...
Please make a new subforum before more people accidentally make it here, discovers it's about that god awful redneck RX (how could they ever know? :shock: ) and has an aneurysm...