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Did it derail from your point or just disagree? Can you justify that lack of Rally1 privateers is purely a cost issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Having the COSTS delusion seems to be closely tied to the view that privateers should be at Rally1 in the first place. FIA does not share your dream, so why apply this delusion why you aren't seeing your dream?
Privateers have been using factory or ex-factory cars for ages and it has diversified the field a lot in the past. Now the cars and most importantly spare parts are so expensive that this isn't really affordable.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Getting from Rally2 car to WRC/Rally1 car has been proven very difficult for most drivers, only exception being Rovanperä. The others who have tried needed more seat time but failed to get it. Why? You guessed it!
And yes, derailed.
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Because there are only a handful of Cat II competition-build Rally1 cars, that only run on WRC rounds (and not on regional/national champs), by the manufacturers themselves - all by design for being international TV entertainment as promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Not just because people didn't have the budget to get seat time at, for example, Toyota.
Going back to my derailed post, if an F1 nut could break down the car manufacturer and non-car manufacturer teams and who the paid and pay-for drivers are it would be interesting.
Maybe in a relevant thread too, I don't know which by now.
You have your right and I disagree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
If you think this model is sustainable and overall the way it should be, fine.
For my liking I would like to have more privateers and they're gone. With current situation in hand (too expensive!) this will never be sustainable for privateers.
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I don't think it's the way it should be and FWIW I agree it is too expensive for many privateers.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
But I'm not sure you're understanding that the access privateers currently have is coincidental. It appears Hyundai, like Toyota, don't offer drives for sale. If Ford brought rally inhouse, and still even if Citroen, Fiat, Dacia, Tesla... then join in the same fashion, there could be a situation where there's zero seats that any amount of privateer money can buy. And the FIA would not give one shiny shit because WRC is not there to provide a fair sporting opportunity, it is a commercial championship where Rally1 is designed around the promotion of car manufacturers. I'm not sure why you would choose to disagree with that.
For M-Sport it's vital to sell/rent cars. It's affecting them a lot, this current situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Not so many 2017 cars are on the stages as well and you guessed it, there's no point to drive these cars on national rallyes. Why? You guessed again!
Btw I agree with your last point - it's too commercial and non-reachable for normal people and it starts with the rules and results of being too expensive.
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There might have been some Italian privateers in Sanremo, but not much other competitive ones. And some of them were like semi-factory drivers, just doing a national series.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Well we got Serderidis now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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From the top of my mind, I recall these small programs (from ewrc-results, I wasn't even born during Group B):Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Lampi, Eklund, Grissmann, Buffum (Audi)
Vudafieri, Biasion (Lancia, even though Jolly Club was a sort of semi-works team)
Turiani, Recordati, Iwase (Opel)
Eklund (Austin Rover, I don't know how official was his entry)
Meylan, Iwashita (Nissan)
many Citroen Visa
Most of them could only dream of competing with top teams, but could achieve top 5 places when there was high attrition. Actually some group A cars, especially works Golf of Eriksson, could achieve the same good results with high attrition or lower entries.