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Fernando Alonso has hinted there is a get-out clause in his Renault deal which would allow him to quit the team at the end of the 2008 season.
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Fernando Alonso has hinted there is a get-out clause in his Renault deal which would allow him to quit the team at the end of the 2008 season.
Doesn't surprise me at all. These things are fairly standard. Often they are something like that if the team fails to score x number of points in a certain number of races then the driver is free to leave.
as a 2 x wdc that is a smart deal for Alonso. Plus maybe Flavio has retirement or movement on his mind as well
i bet thats just in case asslonso starts off like he did at mclaren and if renault get sick of his winging they can kick him off the team hehehe :D
That's why the Renault deal took so long, all along it was said that Flav wanted him to sign for 2 years or more but Alonso wanted to be free for 2009 if Renault turned out to suck as much as they did in 2007.
There were reports a while back that Alonso's wish for a 1yr contract was preventing any deal. Red Bull may have been one team willing to consider that, but it seems he has reached a compromise with Renault.
Does this mean that a move to Ferrari is still on the cards for 2009 :confused:
Yes, he has already signed for 2009... in his dreams :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
:dozey: This is a tuff "read" without seeing the contract.
Alsonso may have insisted on a one year commitment due to Renault's poor performance in 2007.
On the other hand... Renault may have insisted on the one year contract... giving Renault an "OUT"...
because of Alonso's character flaws.
As good a driver as Alonso is... his attitude disrupts a team.
Yes, it disrupts 'a' team.....Mclaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by trumperZ06
Alonso & Renault is a completely different scenario. Different as in 'successful'.
:p : Many people at Renault were GLAD to see Alsono go... in 2006 !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
He left Renault.... with much... BITTERNESS and RESENTMENT...
at the end of the 2006 season.
;) I'm sure the same emotions that Renault felt in 2006 regarding Alonso... were in the McLaren team, last year.
Yeah right... :laugh: funny boyQuote:
Originally Posted by trumperZ06
From what Autosport were saying at the time, he has a two year contract with get out clauses after 1 year incase it goes the same way as his McLaren time or a better ride (i.e. Ferrari) comes along.
If that is the case, why the need for a get out clause. Personally I think Onslo is on a par with the Scots that enter the highland games - tossers. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Actually I think Tamburello has a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by trumperZ06
Renault and McLaren are two teams with totally different cultures.
Alonso's antics were tolerated at Renault as long as he drove the nuts off the car every other weekend which he did. They weren't at McLaren which requires its drivers to tow the party line a lot more closely. There's a good interview with Flavio somewhere where he talks about balancing the personal needs of a fast driver's ego with the need to cut him down to size when he gets too big for his boots.
If there was so much bitterness and resentment at Renault regarding Alonso may I suggest that they wouldn't have him back? Everything I've read about the team indicates that they're glad to have him back though they remember his negatives as well as positives.
That said we did see a preview of Alonso's inability to handle pressure with his comments in 2006 re: not getting full Renault support which was clearly total BS.
No FA was not the golden boy @ mac, and he never did to golden boy, anything close to what golden boy did to him...geeaasss, NOW do you see why I keep repeating myself, Wilko..got to love the brit view of the world....Loui is throwing fits and it is all Freddie's fault....I guess we should blame Louie being the champion choker of all time on Freddie......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Has Dr Phil confirmed that yet? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Did you actually read what I wrote?Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
How Alonso's teammates reacted to him is irrelevant. His reaction to times when he was beaten by his teammates is.
By all accounts when Alonso was beaten by Fisi he went berserk. You did not want to be in the Renault garage at Indy 2006 when Fisi simply outpaced him all weekend. It didn't matter whether Fisi was subservient or Renault preferred Alonso to win.
The same happened at McLaren when Hamilton beat him more often than Fisi beat him at Renault.
McLaren didn't tolerate tantrums whether it be from Alonso or Hamilton. Renault did within certain boundaries.
Oh and whilst I'm sure Hamilton had his fits, can you actually come up with anything substantive that suggests that he threatened to blackmail McLaren like Alonso did?
I think FA and Renault were already in discourse late of last season about possibility they work together next season, that's why he turned down the more beautiful money from Toyota whereas he has no contract in hand.
Both Renault and Alonso already knew each other, and therefore no need to make contract in a rush.
I think the long negotiation to make the deal was coupled with which partner they would work with next season. FA would always prefer Fisi to others, but Jr seems to be a string attached if they want more investment from partners like Telmex.
I would suspect that after the 2007 season it will be common to have "get out" clauses for both parties involved in the contract!
I'm glad Alonso is on the grid and ready to roll. If things don't workout then he can just throw a hissy fit, leave, and choose another team for 2009.
To be honest, I would just relish the sight of Lewis giving this Iberian punk a world class beat down on the track. I'm hoping Renault is competitive so it can be a fair fight against McLaren.
Anyone else feel that way?
I see it from the way other than expectation to cash down bitterness he had during he drove McLaren, but how good he will develop a car from the 4th in the championship.
This is really a big job, the policy of the use of MES for the series will be another task from which McLaren will have some benefit for the Renault to fight against.
If both parties satisfied with the result, it could probably the single season contract to be extended. Who would want to hire Alonso other than Renault? Ferrari has said that Kimi is stronger than FA, unless if he can prove a miracle this year to make their eyes open.
I've decided it must be age related..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
.............like when Big Al kicks in. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Why would Ferrari want Alonso?
If piquet beats Alonso this year, crybaby`s reputation will sink even further.
No you are right LH did not threaten to my knowledge like FA did,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
let examine it: In the privacy of an internal meeting, the morning after being docked five places (which was enough to cost FA a wdc), FA made his "threat", (assuming it was such a threat) to RD who in turned panicked, apparently knowing full well what was going on with all the testing, and it was RD who ran off at the mouth to Max.
Instead LH ran his mouth direct to the fia or through daddy to the FIA, at Monaco which resulted in a formal investigation by the FIA and at Hungary, he started the big stuff by refusing to obey the arrangment insisted upon by Mac per prior races to give each their shot at the last lap on lightest tanks Q.
And what did FA do to ever cost his team mate five grid positions or cost LH anything at anytime? NOTHING
What did FA ever actually do to carry out his private "threat" to cost Mac the penalty of wcc and 100 million? Nothing
What did LH do to cost Mac the penalty of wcc points and 100 million? everything
So you are right!!! LH never merely "threatened" to report anything. He actually did it in person or through daddy.
Happy now? :D
you mean Jack Daniel with a touch of kool aid :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
makes me think it is not age related
Is that a known fact, or just an assumption that Ron knew everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Again, is that fact or fiction that can be backed up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markabilly
Well RD sure panicked like a coack roach when the light is turned onQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
but the FIA investigation sparked by LH's mouth that was announced, demonstrates that fact beyond contestation :D
Or, it could just be that, having been informed of the fact by FA, Ron did the decent thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Until someone can actually prove otherwise, I am prepared to give RD the benefit on his personal knowledge and involvment.....
Do you hace any proof that FA threatened to blackmail McLaren????Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Oh yes, an statement from Ron Dennis. And do you think everything you read??? even more do you believe in all that Ron Dennis says??? cause if i have learned something this year is that this guy is big liar, nothing more and nothing less. So i would not believe anything this guy has said over the seasson. Period.
Back to the thread what Fernando has done is just common sense. He found himself in a very bad situation this year after the Brazil GP. To continue with the team but letting hamilton take the n1, or to leave by signing a press release stating that he had an equal chance to fight for the championship so after all it had been a good seasson. As far as the spanish media can go with their "so called" news, the latter option included a clause that says he can not bash McLaren in the media telling the truth of what have happened.
Fernando's dream is to drive for Ferrari one day. If that will happen or not only the future will tell, but he is at least taking the steps needed to fullfill his dream. First he prevented Lewis from wining the WDC (overtaking him on a clealy inferior car at Brazil), and second he has a contract with Renault that allows him to go to another team in 2009 or 2010.
All in all Ferrari were very happy with Fernando after the Brazilian GP :)
Why do I feel like Paxman interviewing Howard?Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Answer the question, facts with cast iron proof or hearsay?
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Originally Posted by Dylan H
:dozey: Hhmmmm... I think Ron went to the FIA....Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
simply to eliminate any possible threat of being...
Black Mailed by Alonso !!!
That said... Alonso's actions...both with Renault at the end of 2006 & with McLaren in 2007 are simply unconscionable.
Renault's fall from grace this past year has left them desperate to regain their competitiveness... even to accepting a...
" Judas " ... as their number 1 driver.
The one year contract by Renault... may be intended to be used as a club...
attempting to exercise some control over a "loose cannon" who will be constantly in front of the press.
:s mokin: Trumper :s mokin:
Alonso's manager for a start. Also both Bernie and Max have accepted Ron's account of that meeting at Hungary. Odd that people accept Max's verdict when convenient but not at others.Quote:
Originally Posted by samuratt
Ferrari may be happy with Alonso but they won't have him. 2007 with Alonso clearly looking for a way out from McLaren and Massa only on a one season contract would have been the ideal opportunity for Ferrari to sign him if they were interested. They responded to Alonso looking for another seat by extending Massa's contract.
Markabilly, try and return from fantasyland with arguments that can be based on evidence, not on a Hollywood script. Either way your argument is irrelevant regarding Alonso's return to Renault unless you're also trying to argue that Hamilton is following him there for 2008.
Fact that RD panicked is based on his own words; fact that FA was mad at being decked five grid places late the night before that meeting the next morning because of an incident that started when Hamster arrogantly refused to follow team instructions to give the advantage to FA the same as LH had recived the advanatage in prior races, based again on RD own testimonyQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
AND GIVEN that HAMSTER's (his own teamate) complaints and behavior just cost his team mate FA the pole and pushed him back five grid places, with him inheriting pole, who would not be steamed completely through and through--if it had been me (or Senna or a number of other drivers), I would have ripped Hamster into little bitty pieces
Fact that Hamster was making various quotes to the news about how he deliberately chose to disobey...
Fact about Hamster's complaints about Monaco
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
Read and research it yourself, plenty of links have already been provided....including ron's own words.....
No I am just so tired of mac and hamster apologists dumping on freddie with some sort of superior, snotty brit attitude about Freddie, blaming him for Mac's problems and slamming him for being a blackmailing rat when for WHAT we actually know, Hamster was the only rat whose squealing started two investigations, one of which cost his team mate a WDC, and his team the fine of 100 million and wcc pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Bottom line:
When it comes to choking in 2007, Hamster wins.
When it comes to ratting out a team mate, Hamster wins.
When it comes to ratting out his team, Hamster wins.
When it comes to costing a team mate and his team of having a WDC winner on his team, Hamster wins
But it is only fitting because are not hamsters related to rats? :confused: :confused:
And I am still waiting for any evidence that Freddie did anything that cost the Hamster one single point by complaining about him to the FIA. But oh me, oh NO, Freddie is unhappy unless he is winning, freddie is unhappy unless he is ahead of his team mate--but who wants a driver who is happy running second?
This whole thread was started and is all about dumping once again on freddie...without squat to back it up
I forget :(Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
It's not really just about about Hamilton is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Here's what some snotty Brit apparently said last year:
http://www.duemotori.com/news//18593...at_Symonds.php
Pat Symonds is just another Hamilton apologist, right? :p :Quote:
"He only had one very, very small chink in his armour when he drove for us," Symonds explained, "and that was the inability to accept being beaten."
"Actually that's a really good quality, but it was the one time he was perhaps slightly irrational -- when Giancarlo (Fisichella) beat him, for example."
"I think that what we've seen this year, with Lewis unexpectedly giving him such a hard time, it's opened up that chink a little bit,"
The original interview is the Sunday 30 September 2007 a podcast on Renault f1 web site.
Sigh does he still think he's getting in at Ferrari next year? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules
Hope not!! we don't want a whole shyteload of conflicting issues at Ferrari next year.
Can you provide me with the statament made by Alonso's manager???? I do not remember it, maybe because it did not exist. On the other hand i remember Mad Max talking about the issue, and how Ron Dennis again lied to him by saying he had nothing to be worried about, and later packnicing about the prospect of being blackmailed. Yet again no proof that Alonso blackmailed the team, you only have Ron Dennis statement, and Max statement about what Ron Dennis have told him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Please provide us (preferably me) with some solid proof that the blackmailing took place, and do not refer us to Ron Dennis words againn please, because if something has been proven this year is that he is a liar (even Max said so).
About Massa's contract being extended i think that the only reason why this happened was because Massa's manager is Todt's son, and by extending Massa's contract Todt made sure his son would have enough money to survive now that is father si not running the f1 team anymore. Furthermore, given the fact that Ferrari needed Massa to pull over to ensure Kimi was WDC, they had to give him something back in exchange. It is just a thought but as a therory it may be as valid as yours. I won't be surprised if Massa is dumped after 2008 to make room for another driver. Fernando perhaps? who knows...
first sign of drinking that kool aid stuff too much.....just look at poor WilkoQuote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce